BoJo banished - Liz Truss down. Is Rishi next for the toaster? **threadbans in OP**

So what is your point? That a different voting system will lead to different problems. Brilliant.

This current UK government, despite the massive majority, are incapable of any decisions. They are either pushed into, Windfall tax, or leave it so late as to cause damage (lockdown) - a lockdown which the completely ineffectual Irish government seemed able to do.. And despite this massive majority, they can't take the unpopular decision that in NI the DUP just have to get on with the decision of the government.

Scotland and Wales had different and stricter laws than England. Both were also critical of the lax Covid laws they could not control.

People are going off previous norms. Under any other time, Johnson would be gone long ago. With an 80 seat majority the Tories should have been sailing towards the next election. Happy to ditch anyone that would threaten that.

However, with Johnson they have tied their future to this one man. They cannot seem to envisage a party, certainly not a party with any hope of winning without him.

That is very unusual and unprecedented, so it is hardly surprising that the vast amount of commentators would have expected that Johnson would indeed be gone. If forgetten about Partygate, his complete mishandling of Brexit should have seen him out the door, given that TM's apparent mishandling was the very reason Johnson couldn't support her any longer.

Even the migration issue that you are so concerned about. Another leader would be under massive pressure but even you are prepared to give him more time. And that seems to be the thing he has. But the tide is definitely turning. We now have pleas from ministers (Patel today) that Johnson shouldn't be removed because of the jubilee. We had JRM yesterday claiming that only Johnson could deliver on the Brexit benefits (without, of course, actually saying what the supposed benefits were). So even his own party do not see him positively, merely that there is nobody else to replace him.

Boris, who has massive support for his clownish media image, is the only person who could have got them close to the vote share they got in 2019. A replacement leader won't recover to that level, or even close.

TBF the initial post that started this was about the info coming out about Partygate last year. Well, that's progressed for some time now, hundreds of fines, lots of Tory apparatchiks in government losing their jobs, BoJo rewriting the ministerial code because (a) it's not a democracy in the UK and (b) he can because he's the PM and wouldn't want it to be used against him. So, maybe time to call this "What are the repercussions from Partygate." There's plenty, including hundreds of local council losses.

Firstly no other country would stage such a divisive and massive change to the status quo in a completely undefined and open ended referendum that legally was only advisory and only required 50.1% to pass. I also find it ironic that you seem to think a majority is important when passing a referendum but not when voting in a government, cognitive dissonance much?

The problem is and you well know as its been repeated ad nauseum for 6 years now is if you asked 10 people who voted for Brexit what voting for Brexit meant you would likely get 10 completely different answers and this is why people have a problem with the referendum.

Also you are conveniently forgetting that some of the biggest campaigners for Brexit like Mogg and Farage prior to the vote had openly suggested and agreed that if the referendum were to pass that a second one would probably be required on any deal that ended up being negotiated. Obviously they only said this as they never thought they would win and like yourself conveniently forgot this after the fact.

Finally about your claim Ireland is in an economic and societal mess.... which country in Europe was the quickest to bounce back post covid and even forecast economic growth prior to Putin screwing everything up? Yes Ireland has problems as you put it like every other country but literally your only evidence to back up the idea that Irelands problems are down to its voting sytem is you saying so. There is not a shred of facts to back up this theory outside of what would amount to qanon-like conspiracy theories.