How does Israel Get way with this

Good post and I’d mostly agree. All it takes is the passing of a couple of generations and the fading away of first-hand memory and emotional attachment to the chaotic and often violent and bloody circumstances in which an independent nation is born — until one day you find the people of that independent nation sneering at the stumblings of nascent nations.

Your implication being that they were voting "wrong" and their claim to independence was being "impeded" by voting for someone corrupt.

What you're saying is that Israel is right to refuse to recognise Palestine so long as Palestinians refuse to vote for the "right" people.

The only impediment to Palestinian independence is the refusal of Israel and her allies to recognise it. Nothing more. It would be hypocritical especially of Israel to claim the Palestinian leadership are too corrupt or hostile to be permitted in power.

Your desperate attempts to backtrack from the implications of what you were saying mean that you're basically saying nothing. You could likewise ask Israelis why they voted for a guy who took millions of dollars in bribes, has openly genocidal ambitions and deliberately fuelled anti-Israel hatred across the middle east in order to secure more military funding.

If Netanyahu hadn't worked to unravel the progress towards peace that was made by his predecessors, Israel would be closer to peace now than ever before. Instead he deliberately pushed for a more aggressive Israel to further fuel the victim complex. Israelis are of course free to vote for a guy who made them immeasurably less safe in order to put money in his own pocket.

Your contention is that Palestinians are impeding their own march towards independence by electing the wrong people. You then use Arafat as an example of the "wrong" people, even though he got closer to peace and a solution to this problem than any leader in history. That's a fact, no matter what else he may have done.

This would demonstrate that your claim is false and this "impediment" to freedom must obviously be coming from elsewhere.

I know it's a while since you made this post, but hey, have you ever heard of Bloody Sunday in Derry in 1972?

Color me shocked

Can we please ignore the facts and promote Israeli lies?

It's very difficult for me to criticise Israel after the crimes committed in the past which held the Jew as their sole victim. They are a people with ptsd, and we must forgive them when they lash out. We must also educate others about the holocaust.

It can lead to antisemitism if we allow criticism of Israel regarding edge cases. Antisemitism is the most awful crime today, because we have a lot of reasons to understand it. I take a very hard line with antisemitism, and it is this: if you present as readily available to criticism of Israel despite questions regarding the particular situation, then you are probably not a big fan of us. Also I will add, the Israeli government has very intensive documentation of the conflict, which reports the information in an objective sense. Better to assume a pro Israel stance, then wait for evidence which won't come.

What happened nearly 80 years ago shouldn't ever be transformed into a situation whereby a past victim can become the modern victimiser. What the Nazi's did to the Jews cannot ever be allowed as an excuse for what Jews do to their neighbours.

And , for the record, the Jews were not the "sole victims" of Nazi policy.

I love antisemitism being propped up as a reason to excuse Israel to murder journalists.