Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

So……What exactly was your point? Irish people don’t go to Youghal anyway?

Beating which vulnerable group? Ukrainians? You've got to be joking. Considering the range of supports and sympathy they've received, they're probably the most privileged group in Ireland right now.

Except that's absolute horseshit. This is posters on boards discussing various topics, who have no influence over what the groups being discussed do, or don't do. Discussions on Boards don't extend into the real world. So posters criticising particular groups, or the policies relating to them isn't as serious as you're trying to make it out to be.

You really think that the homeless, or Ukrainians are spending that much time on boards, and would be influenced or offended by the posters here?

I'm with Hamachi on this one. You do this kind of shite too often, assuming some kind of high moral position against something you claim others have been doing, but in reality, you've got zero evidence to support yourself.

If you disagree with others opinions, counter them.

Once again can I point out that our acceptance of Ukrainian refugees is an EU Directive. Every EU country has to give them the following:

”It also lists the rights for beneficiaries of temporary protection:

• a residence permit for the entire duration of the protection (which can last from one year to three years)
• appropriate information on temporary protection
• guarantees for access to the asylum procedure
• access to employment, subject to rules applicable to the profession and to national labour market policies and general conditions of employment
• access to suitable accommodation or housing
• access to social welfare or means of subsistence if necessary
• access to medical care
• access to education for persons under 18 years to the state education system
• opportunities for families to reunite in certain circumstances
• access to banking services, for instance opening a basic bank account 
• move to another EU country, before the issuance of a residence permit 
• move freely in EU countries (other than the Member State of residence) for 90 days within a 180-day period after a residence permit in the host EU country is issued 

The Directive also contains provisions for the return after temporary protection has ended and for excluding individuals, who have committed serious crimes or who pose a threat to security, from the benefit of temporary protection.”

Once again, you're using proposing a point and information that is irrelevant.

I didn't say not to help Ukrainian refugees. So... why post that at all?

While I agree with your post, this part had me a bit confused. Are you advocating for far less restrictions on war refugees (like the Syrians, or Ethiopians)? (so that there's less of a double standard between Ukrainians and other refugee groups)

The problem I find with helping refugees is the question of whether they're going to remain, or go elsewhere/return home after the conflict has ended. Typically, refugees are not vetted the same way as economic migrants seeking visas, and so, they don't need to have the skills/education or financial security to live here, that economic migrants usually have to prove to be eligible.

Ukraine is a rather clear cut case, as it's an invasion by a foreign power, and with the backing of the Western nations, it's highly unlikely that there will be a regime change, or that the country will remain under Russian occupation. So, they'll have a country to return to, and the same range of politics in the governance of their nation. Sorted. Now, I doubt that many will return, in spite of the emotional declarations of patriotism, because I'm fully aware of the corruption within Ukrainian society, and the vast difference in standards of living between Ukraine and EU nations, especially the Northern/Central European EU nations.

But what about the millions of Afghans who left during the war, the US/Coalition occupation and subsequently left again with the takeover.. most of those can't or won't return. So.. they should be allowed to settle in Ireland or whatever, forever? And if we lower the restrictions placed on the acceptance of refugees from all conflicts, they'll come here, settle, inflate the population with their own numbers, but also they, typically, have large families (compared to Irish people), and so, put further strain on resources.

There are a lot of dramatics and emotional outbursts when it comes to this overall topic, along with the attempts to guilt trip others based on humanitarian grounds. But what if China goes to war over Taiwan, or China has a civil war... we could easily see a 100 million refugees come from such a conflict.. What then?

There needs to be a primary focus on the native people of a particular country, first.. and then, helping others.. but with the long-game in mind. What are the practical effects on a nation? Does the culture and background of the refugees matter? etc.

With Ukrainians, I have no doubt that they would integrate well in Ireland. Like the Poles or the Lithuanians, there's a similarity in culture and history, but.. I do wonder what kind of nation we'll have and the stability of our economy if we accept refugees based on emotions rather than the cold hard practicalities involved.

[Sorry. Not entirely directed at you, but your sentence got me thinking]

You quoted me.. and you made the declaration of "Once again"... Doesn't seem appropriate to post something for info purposes.

I doubt anyone on the thread is ignorant that we are obliged under EU rules to help.