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Texas School shooting 19 children and 2 adults murdered

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,013 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    The risks are low compared to many other jobs and most of that relatively low risk is from traffic accidents.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,911 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    Above the average wage actually.


    The national average annual wage of an police officer is $67,600, according to the BLS, a little over $15,000 more than average annual salary for all occupations, $51,960. Depending on the state, however, the average salary of a police officer can vary significantly. Police officer wages are heavily dependent on the cost of living in each state.

    Below is a list of the top-10 highest-paying states for police officers:

    1. California average police officer salary: $105,220
    2. Alaska average police officer salary: $87,870
    3. New Jersey average police officer salary: $86,840
    4. Washington average police officer salary: $80,200
    5. Hawaii average police officer salary: $78,720
    6. Illinois average police officer salary: $78,350
    7. New York average police officer salary: $77,490
    8. Colorado average police officer salary: $75,720
    9. Delaware average police officer salary: $73,740
    10. Nevada average police officer salary: $73,660




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,013 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Australia and other countries like NZ, just got on with it and did something about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,235 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Murder rate is higher in nearly all South American countries, alone.

    Guns are highly restricted in Mexico.

    When your own government spends 800bn a year on weapons/military, that's bound to seep into the psyche of its population.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,911 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    They weren't in the shooters house the other day, he had to go out and buy them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,226 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    Ehh I have walked in parts of Canada where you had grizzlies never mind you little pansy black bears.

    And fook me pink there weren't natives walking around with semi auto military look alike weapons.

    BTW you forgot about the rattlers, they need shootin as well you know.

    When you say swap out the top are you talking about the bolt carrier or the entire upper barrel assembly and everything bar the receiver ?

    Surely a lot of home invasion would be at pretty close range and accuracy at distance not a factor?

    The stopping power of a shotgun at close range would be devastating, granted most American homes have shyte walls.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,681 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    And get scant training vs. European cops prior to being deployed, too.

    OT:

    this time, the link I used was expanded in-line. I think you need to paste in the link, *wait a bit* then hit a space, wait, and then hit return. Might be whatever the editor is doing is slow to recognize links or is doing some test before expanding them. If you just type, paste and go, the link is likely not expanded.


    YMMV



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,149 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    google slightly mixed numbers on what the average wage is, but accepting the the 51k for average the 67 number also seem in doubt from the results unless one is including something else



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,013 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Oh, FFS! Simple solution is that if you are worried about the incredible disadvantage you are at with a bolt action rifle, in the face of the hugely dangerous wildlife, don't go.

    The most dangerous animal in Australia that kills way more humans than any other, apart from bees, is the horse. i'll bet it's the same in the US.

    Same applies; don't get on one if you are worried about the risk.

    You don't need military weapons because of the almost non-existant danger posed by wildlife:

    "Number of people killed by animals each year in the US remains unchanged

    Date: February 28, 2018

    Source: Elsevier

    Summary:

    Bites, kicks, and stings from farm animals, bees, wasps, hornets, and dogs continue to represent the most danger to humans, according to a new study." https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/02/180228112528.htm

    I need an AR-15 because of the horses, man, I still wake up in a chill sweat every night from a nighmare involving horses and a gun jam.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,681 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    All good points. I remember some years ago reading the bio of a (I think Texas) park ranger whose job it was, was to kill rogue mountain lions.

    He used a .22 rifle. Not a semi-automatic etc. An old-style Winchester single action.

    As you can imagine, he was a very good shot.


    When towns in NJ where I used to live, organized 'deer culls' because of the massive deer population, they baited them with corn, and put their marksman up in a blind. He'd bag hundreds. .22lr scoped single action again, one shot per deer.

    If you're afraid of what you might run into hunting, try fishing. Or better still, video games. Ridiculous carry on to justify weapons of war in civilian possession.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    Something obvious which could have prevented the rampage is a school resource that focusses on mental health and social services.

    If you read up on the shooter it comes as little surprise that he eventually escalated.

    It might just be easier to implement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,681 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Uhh, he wasn't a student at this school. And, whatever problems this sicko has, I somehow don't think you could have forced him to do anything. The Columbine killers gamed the system the one time they were in trouble for theft, they later wrote mocking diary entries about how they had presented themselves to their counselors.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,100 ✭✭✭✭briany


    The USA has had 25 years of this cr*p. It has, in fact, only gotten worse in that time. Regarding your suggestion, I could save some money and time by just having the doors closed in classrooms with a steel security bar across it. Easy to open from the inside, a b*tch to open from out. This is by no means a perfect solution - it may contravene the fire code, and inhibit access for authorities, but this is in the same country where the idea of arming teachers is being raised again, so I cant think barring the door could be considered too crazy.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,616 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    The solution isn't an either/or choice.

    Clearly there are many elements that lead to this stuff happening and all of them need to be addressed to really bring a halt to these tragedies long term.

    Access to Mental Health services , counselling services in schools are clearly needed.

    There are significant cultural issues that need to be challenged and worked on - The Toxic environment in the US that demonises the "different" and the "unsuccessful" and more.

    But - You still need to sort out the utterly ridiculous ease with which people can buy all sorts of weapons.

    To be honest I'm not altogether hung up on types of guns , all guns can kill in the wrong hands.

    But the idea that you can walk into a shop and pick up all sorts of weapons with only the most cursory of checks is utterly crazy, so start with that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    Of course he wasn’t a student at the school he targeted. But he was failing academically, was isolated and was continuously degrading further.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,149 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    who is to say that his school didn't have that already?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,681 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Supposedly he entered through an unlocked door. Texas claims that's against policy, who knows. The local PD and whatnot are stumbling all over each other's stories as to what has happened. Oh, and in depressing but predictable US news the CT loons are already calling it a false flag event designed to impinge on their rights...





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,100 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Do the CT heads claim that pretty much every mass shooting was a staged event or just the shootings which reignite the conversation over the wisdom of allowing people to own enough guns to be a one-man militia?

    One of the most aggravating things I've seen in relation to that is a piece Vice News did about the rise of the 'Crisis actor' conspiracy theory movement, where a proponent of same confronts a guy who lost his daughter in a shooting and claims the guy's a liar and a 'demon'.

    Imagine how you'd feel if you'd lost a child in a shooting, and some cocky c**t walked up to you and started calling you a liar. Could anyone control themselves in such a situation?



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,616 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


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    Look at the stock price for Ruger this week.

    Tells you an awful lot about the US Psyche.

    Stock jumps up because investors know that Sales are going to spike after Uvalde, a combination of "I need a gun to protect myself" and "I better buy that AR-15 before those damn Democrats ban them"

    Utterly depressing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,149 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    jumping the gun there, its stock price is a bit up and down


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,464 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy


    "People seem to care way more when it's a school."

    You think? It's almost like the killing of children affects people more. Clearly not you though.

    Do you have anything worthwhile at all to contribute to the discussion?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,349 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    Those figures likely don't take into account overtime and pensions that are an enormous add on. They're incredibly well paid for needing so little qualifications



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,616 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    All Stocks go up and down , that's the nature of the stock market.

    But what exactly is it do you think drove the sharp jump in the Stock price of a leading arms manufacturer this past Wednesday??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    NRA pressing ahead with a press conference despite this shooting. The attendees and all NRA members are absolute low lives.


    https://www.ft.com/content/aa5fe164-bae9-4293-97b0-78f8369aadd6



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,349 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    Another poster already provided data that they are well paid so I'll just point out that the other side of your post is also not accurate - their job isn't close to being the most risky profession. Basic jobs like a delivery driver and farmer is more dangerous. More kids have been killed this year in school by guns in the US than cops dying due to gunfire FFS.

    You've clearly fully bought into the cop propaganda.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    It shouldn’t matter more, though.

    It makes it impossible to discuss the matter objectively when people are letting their emotions rule.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,149 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    its like a small % jump, not out of kilter with the %jumps earlier in the month and the year



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,616 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    And they see absolutely no irony or double standard in the fact that Guns are banned in the main hall when Trump is there.

    I thought the NRA was all about "Good Guys with guns" and free expression of 2nd amendment rights.

    It's almost like they are saying that open unregulated access to guns might not always be a great idea..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,349 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    I never said hunters don't use them. The gun manufacturers have done a great job with normalising military grade weapons.

    By the logic you're using then grenades should be legal because they simple to operate and can take out animals that are tough to kill.

    AR type rifles are simply not necessary, they have been marketed to make fools spend their money on them to feel a little like rambo and those same fools value that feeling over the lives of children who are getting their faces blown off in their classrooms.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,681 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Stop. It's been decades since Columbine, and nothing substantial has happened. Las Vegas. Nothing.

    Do you think the matter hasn't been discussed objectively? Something like 90% of US citizens favor a gun registry. No action. Lots of examples like this.

    The only ones not acting objectively are the gun nuts, and using their minority position to stack the SCOTUS with RCC members who are pro-2A and worthless when it comes to rights for actual live people.



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