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Texas School shooting 19 children and 2 adults murdered

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  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    LOL. Yeah, calling it out for what it is is 'grandstanding'.

    Another one who completely misses the point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,486 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    I'm sure some of the Republicans and other gun nuts would favour arming the children, I'd bet some of those eejits has already proposed such a thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,225 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    of course they could have fared worse, they might have shot a child.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,486 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Impossible the teacher would have the power of good guiding their bullets guaranteeing no collateral damage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,620 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Plus let's say you're a teacher with a gun but it's not your classroom this lunatic walks into. Shots ringing out but your class is safe.

    Do you Stamp guard at the door and protect your kids pr do you try venture out to save the other class?

    Too much to put on a teacher imo. Also if you do venture out and get killed trying to engage the shooter, you may have been killed for no reason as he may never have gotten to your classroom.

    So you could certainly fare worse with a gun wjen you think about it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,867 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    The AR is one of the most versatile rifles that there is. It's highly customisable, easy to use, lightweight and doesn't have much of a kick. Quite the opposite of what you said, it is actually more useful than many other types of guns would be.

    You reckon every AR15 owner bought their gun for mass murder or to look cool and not for the functionality of the gun? Okey dokey. You are wrong of course but hey, that's ok too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,111 ✭✭✭Christy42


    The teachers will also end up getting blamed and expected to uphold results in these cases. Unlike cops who have the job of dealing with stressful situations and therefore can do whatever the hell they want because you can't expect them to deal with any stressful situation apparently.


    Really that budget should be examined more closely now. How are they using 40% of the budget and what can they realistically use to respond to a case like this. I have to believe that whatever it was spent on was not there at the shooting so at what point will it actually get used?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    While the cops kept the parents outside and threatened to taze them etc. for going in, Police spokesperson now confirms several police with their own kids in the school went in for them.




  • Site Banned Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭political analyst


    How?! There's no good reason for ordinary people to have access to AR-15s.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 92,394 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    It's another heartbreaking casualty of this horrible situation



  • Site Banned Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭political analyst


    From what I've seen of news coverage of controversial shootings by local police in the US (e.g. Ferguson, Missouri) and mass-fatality shootings in the US in the past decade, many of the cops appear to be equipped to the point that they look like soldiers but in dark-blue instead of military camouflage.

    So why did police outside Robb Elementary School fail so disastrously? They waited up to an hour!

    I suspect that, if Ramos had sought to enter a school in New York City instead of Texas, the NYPD would have stopped him even before any of its ESUs got there - but I'm basing that opinion on seeing fictional detective Danny Reagan in action on 'Blue Bloods', of course.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,968 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Swap out the top (takes less than 30 seconds), and you can fire .50cal Beowulf if you like. .223 is far and away the most common AR round but both law and practicality normally require a bigger round for larger game. 6.5 seems to be the most commonly used large game round in an AR15. When you have your elk, pop the 5.56 upper back on.

    Something short like a pistol has the disadvantage of less accuracy. Also has only one point of contact, when you would like to hold on to your rifle with both hands. But if you really do want something short, you can get a carbine AR, and collapse the stock. In reality, though, holding a pistol at the low or high ready doesn’t really project much more than holding a rifle.

    A good old shotgun has its own problems. For starters, it’s not exactly precise. Shot scatters. Secondly, something like 00 buckshot goes through about twice as much drywall as a standard 5.56 round, which is a problem if not every pellet hits, and you want reduce the chance of hitting someone behind a wall or two. (Then you can move to 5.56mm ammunition specifically designed for use in buildings). Indeed, a 5.56 overpenetrates less than pistol caliber rounds as well, which is why US SWAT teams moved away from 9mm sub machine guns to 5.56mm after penetration testing by the FBI showed that the pistol caliber rounds were more dangerous to third parties. Due to velocity and design, a 5.56 tends to fragment on impact, remaining fragments individually have less energy than a pistol bullet or shot if they hit someone and slow faster.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    This is a problem that is obviously getting worse and worse. Where do you see it ending?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,059 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    The husband of one of the two teachers killed in this shooting has died. In the article it’s reported that he went home and collapsed. I mean this is a tragedy on so many levels now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,138 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    This is absolutely appalling. Pure cowardly scum is the only way to describe them. The 2 teachers died trying to protect those kids, while the police let it happen, only caring about protecting themselves and their own kids. They were happy that the shooter was 'contained' in the classroom so left him there. How is this anything other than saying those kids were seen as expendable to them and sacrificed so that they didn't have to endanger themselves? The one guy who did eventually go in and kill him is a **** hero.


    They should all be sacked or even better, charged with accessory to murder but we all know nothing will happen. Assholes.


    I mean, this is just unbelievable





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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    That could have happened whatever the events of the day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,100 ✭✭✭✭briany


    The whole idea of teachers even being armed is completely mental. Even if that ever happened, it would just be a matter of time before A) one of those teachers shoots up a class themselves with the gun they were legally allowed to bring into class, or that the gun was taken off them by a student who then shot the teacher or fellow classmates. It's a complete non-starter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,100 ✭✭✭✭briany


    That's the kind of empathetic suggestion a thread like this really needs.



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,968 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    It's been the case in some places in the US (including about 15% of Texas school districts) for well over a decade now, so for a non starter, it seems to have started regardless.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,059 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    It could’ve but it didn’t. Have you heard of people dying of a broken heart ever ? It does happen after the death of a loved one. But you try and make whatever point you’re trying and failing to make.



  • Posts: 2,050 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It's a closed and locked room. So what do you do? Storm the classroom and shoot innocent kids in the crossfire? Who would be the hero then? They had no clear knowledge that the kids were being shot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,100 ✭✭✭✭briany


    And I still regard it as completely mental that teachers should carry guns in class and still think it's a matter of time, especially if that policy gets expanded.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,138 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Yeah, I'm sure they thought that the guy who had already shot one person was in there making smores with them 🙄


    No, they knew



  • Posts: 10,222 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I think we should all just shout and call each other idiots before the details around this horrible tragedy are confirmed or at least until there is another incident or event that will distract us away from this one and polarise us more.

    We are an easily manipulated mammal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    I’m not making a point. I am feeling irritated by random events getting linked to the attack.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,351 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives


    Pardon my ignorance on American Senate and Congress set up... but I thought it was the Democrats who has the majority in both?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,184 ✭✭✭riclad


    Other states passed a law only 21 year old adults can buy a rifle.Theres no way all guns will be banned in america ,theres a tradition of owning guns ,hunting, especially in rural area,s and southern states. The strange thing about this case is the police stood outside the school for 30 minutes plus, while the shooter was inside .yes there was a locked door, they had to find a key to open it, but american police have all sorts of tools and weapons to deal with emergencys .

    there should be in depth checks for anyone who wants to buy an automatic rifle.

    there,s well funded political groups like the NRA who donate to republican politicans and will fight any attempt to bring in more gun control laws.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    According to a report released earlier ,the shooter crashed his truck outside the school at 11:28 am ,and shot at several bystanders before entering the school unchallenged around 11.40 , when police arrived he was already in the classroom at 11:44/5 and when he started shooting at police officers who withdrew and waited for a border patrol tactical unit to arrive am hour later at 12:45 who stormed the room and killed the shooter .

    That is beyond fucked up in my opinion ,now I know they needed to secure the school and wait essentially for some kind of swat unit, but to stand by for an hour and listen to them children being executed is beyond belief ,

    20 odd cops all armed left an armed headcase in a room full of children for an hour .

    Unforgivable



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