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Better Call Saul ***Spoilers***

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,121 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    Just on what will happen on the Gene timeline this is interesting to watch and discusses what we've seen of Gene in the flash forward and what year it takes place. it also delves into possible outcomes for Jimmy.

    Again this was put together before season 6 but still relevant




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,386 ✭✭✭✭rubadub


    It is not obvious to me how it is going to go down, do you have any theories?

    Like why does Gus not just carry a gun? it already showed he has them hidden on his body. If drawing Lalo in why not have a sharp shooting henchman/men lying in wait, along with his own gun(s), why risk his own life? Is he expecting to set up a meeting and both parties and be patted/frisked down by some intermediary (could even be Jimmy!). If he does he has to be sure to end up in the correct position.

    Gus had the cop on to guess Lalo faked his death too, surely he would suspect Lalo would be smart enough to be aware the phones would be tapped in the old folks home too (and deliberately trying to spoof them), it is not some burner or place that is hard to gain access to. I wondered if there was some "I know that you know that I know that you know" stuff going on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 950 ✭✭✭MICKEYG


    Sorry, not quoting the above, not sure how it happened.

    Loved that episode. Thinking about it all day.

    One question, how did they switch the photos. I thought the PI left Howard's office before the meeting in the board room.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,386 ✭✭✭✭rubadub


    I wondered about the body too. I wonder will they ask the vet lad, he might have a crematorium or access to one or some other dodgy contact. I even wonder if they might word it like "how would you get rid of a person forever", leading to the vet saying "alive or dead?" which would lead onto the introduction to the vacuum man Ed. Or without any lines like that he might be the one to get rid of the body and offer other services. But the actor has passed away so not much room for scenes with Ed. But it could be a lead on to him hiding Kim.

    It might be Mike, we know Saul sent him as a "cleanup man" to Jesses house.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,283 ✭✭✭Spon Farmer


    The fake PI most likely went back into Howard’s office when he went to the mediation with his PA.

    I believe Howard suggested this?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,981 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Yeah I'd say it's likely to be Mike, as chances are both he and Kim would contact him due to Lalo being back anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,283 ✭✭✭Spon Farmer


    A theory about what?

    The post you quoted is a theory.

    Fring was on edge waiting for Lalo to strike. They show him go to the secret area, he examines how the lights work and counts out steps to a different and hides agin.

    It is obvious that he did this in the hopes of somehow getting Lalo to enter the lab.

    It doesn’t mean I correct. The trap could be for someone else like Eladio. I assume Fring is building a secret lab so that he can strike out on his own. He needs to be rid of the cartel to do that.

    However I cannot remember if Fring still works for Eladio in Breaking Bad. I also don’t what to be reminded. That way my theories remain theories and I get surprised by events.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,726 ✭✭✭Penfailed


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,857 ✭✭✭irishguitarlad


    Unbelievable television.



  • Posts: 2,264 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I think they've gone a bit too far, to be honest. There's no way that the Jimmy / Saul that we've just seen is the same happy go lucky guy that we know from BB. Not after this ep. He'd be in a car out of there if he and Kim got out of the house without Lalo killing both of them. It doesn't track with the established character in BB.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 802 ✭✭✭RickBlaine


    I've seen a few comments from the people involved in the show that this season will cause BB to viewed in a different light. I think the happy go lucky personality from BB is just a public persona and underneath he is a much more troubled person. You can even see the seeds of that this season where he seems more of an asshole than usual when he is with Francesca



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,796 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    Wouldn't agree with this at all as often traumatised people can use their "happy go lucky" persona as a defence mechanism to cover up major issues.

    He wasn't that happy go lucky either when he did things like suggest to Walt that people go on a "trip to Belize".

    Also will add that Saul is his fake persona and a mask that hides the traumatised Jimmy underneath who you see again in the "Cinnabun" flash forwards that show him post BB when Saul is no more.

    Post edited by murpho999 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,283 ✭✭✭Spon Farmer


    Well, that is just not true.

    When Lalo saw the cockroach and left his hiding place it was obvious we’re he was going and why - to Jimmy to use him to somehow get to Fring.

    In season one it was obvious that it was Chuck and not Howard that blocked his attempt to get a job at HHM. And it was obvious that Howard didn’t like it.

    Before anyone gets excited I’m not at all saying the show is predictable. It is the furthest from predictable you can get and even when the obvious things come to pass there is always an unexpected effect.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,283 ✭✭✭Spon Farmer


    There is a lot of Breaking Bad that I don’t remember - in particular about Saul.

    However the writers have been so good with the continuity on everything I do remember, plus what others say, that I doubt they’ll drop the ball in Jimmy’s character himself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,726 ✭✭✭Penfailed


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,283 ✭✭✭Spon Farmer


    wait and see what?

    Those two examples have already happened.



  • Posts: 2,264 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ah yeah, they'll probably make it work. But right now it just seems like killing Howard was done for shock value alone. The Jimmy / Saul we know doesn't seem to be someone who was knowingly responsible for the murder of someone he knew all his working life. And maybe helped hide the body / made it look like a suicide. And then also lost the love of his life along the way to either being disappeared or being killed.

    Seems a stretch that he'd still be sticking around, lawyering.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,371 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    I was thinking about the above debate. When Chuck died - Jimmy let on he was delighted and eventually went roaring in his car. It is all set up for him to blame Kim for Howard's death - he wanted to stop the con - Kim knew about Lalo. I think his anger will focus on her, as she expected him to be honest to her. But it did not work the other way around.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,726 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    Oh dear. Communication doesn't seem to be a strong point with you. Let's wait and see if you're right about the handgun in the lab. Mr. Obvious.

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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 43,410 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    In terms of the Jimmy/Kim relationship, I'm in the middle of re-watching BB and in S3 E4 Saul says to Walt that he caught his second wife screwing his step-dad.

    Do we know if Kim was his first, second, third... wife?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 545 ✭✭✭Crocodile Booze


    Can we just celebrate how brilliant Patrick Fabian was as Howard. Fantastic. He will be missed.



  • Posts: 2,264 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    That's kinda my point. BB Jimmy / Saul is so blasé about things. It doesn't track that Kim is just gone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,981 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    There's about 4 years between BCS (2004) and BB (2008).

    Let's not forget that as much as they try to stick to continuity, they will recon or change things if they need to in order to serve the story they're currently telling. Mike's granddaughter's age is all over the place because they needed her to be able to have coherent conversations with Mike in BCS to service his story, whereas really she should have been maybe 5 or 6 years old based on her age in BB.

    A few throwaway lines in BB will be sacrificed as just being a joke or probably a lie Saul told in BB if it doesn't tally with his story in BCS. No hints at Kim or his feelings about her in BB can be explained as the years having passed or also just Saul was never mates with Walt or Jesse and never talked about anything like that. Jimmy is the person, Saul is the persona. He had no reason to drop the mask like that with Walt/Jesse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,796 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    When Saul was created in BB they had no idea how popular he would become and that he'd eventually get his own show.

    Now they have created his own spin off they have to make it entertaining and watchable.

    I don't think watching a lawyer handle petty crime cases or dealing with paperwork would be good TV.

    They've a great job in showing how Saul became what he is in BB and just judge BCS on its own merits and forget about BB.

    Post edited by murpho999 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,815 ✭✭✭SimonTemplar


    Kim is his third wife. He mentioned his previous too marriages to the registrar when he was marrying Kim, most likely to be consistent with that line from BB.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,756 ✭✭✭Thecageyone


    Some are saying they found the ending surprising/shocking ... but c'mon, as soon as we saw that candle flicker, before Howard even entered, we thought of Lalo - then it happened to be Howard, but that candle flickered yet again - we knew what was coming. And once Lalo entered, it was never going good for Howard was it? He was never letting him leave - it was quite blunt how they did it, and a bit of a 'shock' moment yes, but we still knew it was coming



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,981 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    I think people are saying that from further back, that before the episode or even for the first half of the episode, the idea that Lalo and Howard would even end up in the same room as each other would have seemed ridiculous. The shock/surprise came from how things lead to the ending, but also just the brutality and speed at which Lalo just dismissed Howard like he was nothing, even though we as viewers have been watching him for so long.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,756 ✭✭✭Thecageyone


    Yeah I guess/agree - I mean I never put Howard and Lalo together in a scene in any way prior to this. But I'm saying as an end to the mid-season, after we know Lalo is out, and then Howard on the war path - not all too surprising, as I say, once we know - there's no major surprise, Howard is never leaving that apartment



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,228 ✭✭✭The Mighty Quinn


    I knew/strongly felt that Howard was never getting out of that apartment alive. But I didn't think it was going to be Lalo. I had imagined something like Howard taking out a gun, or Kim picking up a knife or something.



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