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Irish Property Market chat II - *read mod note post #1 before posting*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,036 ✭✭✭Villa05


    Jim Power (economist) normally highly critical of SF policy was full of praise for Eoin o Broin in his latest podcast

    This was following the work Jim did on a private landlords survey




  • Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Just to be clear, he was full of praise for o Broin’s engagement, not necessarily his policy solutions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,036 ✭✭✭Villa05


    "He took copious notes, asked pertinent questions, stayed from start to finish unlike other politicians and was incredibly constructive.

    I would not nesecerally agree with all of his points but he was incredibly constructive"

    Jim also mentioned that he was hopeful after the meeting.

    That's a pretty positive assesment in anyone's book especially from a person highly critical of SF up to now.

    It's interesting what can happen when our bias is flushed out



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  • Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    that is more eloquently what I meant. It is positive that SF in this area are showing engagement, when FG and FF representatives did not attend in full and did not participate. Which is disappointing, if unsurprising

    JPs main issue with SF is that they will act against institutional investors but at the same time plan to do nothing to promote the BTL market and encourage private landlords in very large numbers to come back in to the market and pick up the slack. Therefore where does the investment come from?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭Timing belt


    The same place the extra builders that will build non social housing will come from when all the existing builders are building social housing…..bit of a big hole in their policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,036 ✭✭✭Villa05


    He did say he agreed with alot of what Eoin said.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,036 ✭✭✭Villa05


    It would be very difficult for another government to be worse at the output of housing for private buyers than the current one



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭mcsean2163


    Greece had no money that's why it happened. Their state was a lot more generous than ours before the ran out of rope.

    If we have no money and lenders won't lend to us, I don't see how we could support HAP at current levels.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭mcsean2163




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭Timing belt


    That may be the case but it doesn’t explain how SF policy is going to work when there are holes you could drive a bus through and when asked about it in a debate that was pre planned and which there was plenty of time to prepare for was unable to explain. All that the plan will achieve is to make it harder for FTB’s because resources will be be pulled to build social housing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,036 ✭✭✭Villa05




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,604 ✭✭✭Amadan Dubh


    There is something very odd happening in the hotel industry in Ireland. In the last few weeks, rooms have increased in price substantially. I don't know the reason for it but it is shocking to see how expensive hotel rooms are in the country. And I am really only talking about in the last month where they have exploded. Is it possible the government are in some way taking up a lot of hotel rooms for refugees which is creating a supply issue for the non-refugee market meaning that hotels are able to charge a premium now there is a hotel room supply shortage? Effectively, that the commandeering of hotel rooms for refugees is a form of bailout for the industry? I just don't know what has caused prices to go to ridiculous levels in the last few weeks other than from some whale activity in the market.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,726 ✭✭✭jj880


    Wild Atlantic Way facebook group has had regular posts on this for 12 months+. Tourists cant get their heads round it. Some even tried buying a second hand car. Got hammered with the tax/insurance instead. Majority of them sayin they aren't comin back to Ireland next holiday. Rte reeling off fanciful lists of excuses and who's to blame would sicken yer hoop.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭Timing belt


    Just maybe it has something to do with the fact the auto industry shut down during covid, a chip shortage and messed up supply lines…the same reason second hand cars were the driving force (besides energy) in the inflation data before the War.



  • Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Not delusional at all. It’s a real issue. People might be prepared to spend 200 a night for a hotel or Airbnb. But I think most would balk at spending 200 a day for a ****ing car. It’s insane

    edit: just took a look and it’s 3-400 a day through the summer. This country is screwed

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,462 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Yeah I recently got told a similar story by a family member looking to plan a driving holiday in Northern Spain. 1k for 4 day rental of a fiat punto. Its not an Irish problem.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,726 ✭✭✭jj880


    A report carried out by Indecon for Fáilte Ireland found that the cost of renting a car for tourists in Ireland is high compared to the European average

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,235 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    That grifter crazyhouseprices has been given a platform on boards.

    A dangerous individual who incites mobs and posts addresses of houses online to his following.

    A lad who thinks an AMV on a property entering an auction is the same as an asking price...

    People asking him questions as if he's some expert on the Irish property market and all he does is post ads from daft and then has the cheek to seek donations!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 210 ✭✭Mr Hindley


    I won't win any friends by admitting this, but I work in the travel sector, specialising in car rentals. There's a worldwide car shortage (the chip shortage is a big part of that), and when something is scarce, the price goes up. No big conspiracy, nothing sinister, it's that simple. There are conversations happening about where is the price where you start scaring customers off, and we seem to be at that level now.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,235 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    The reasons are obvious. Hotels are full of homeless and refugees.

    Even pre Ukraine they were full.

    And hotels are being built a lot now because the margins are high! You get state guaranteed money. You get far more rooms per area. You get full occupancy.

    This country needs a crash.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,726 ✭✭✭jj880


    Exactly. The global / its happening everywhere argument is trotted out a lot to excuse the gouging and corruption in this country. Same as the last crash yet we ended up getting fecked over more per head of population than other EU citizens. It seems we are on a mission to be the most expensive in Europe for everything not just accomodation. Screwed is a good way of putting it. A succession of useless spineless governments captured by cronies. We're fighting it out at the top of the premier league in Europe for being an expensive corrupt little kip. Cant blame that on chip shortages or global issues.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭Timing belt


    it is only a temporary issue…. new cars are increasing been delivered and the supply of hire cars will increase.

    in the coming months the no of new cars on the road will jump and make newspaper headlines….it’s not a sign of how well the economy is because most were ordered last summer/autumn.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,036 ✭✭✭Villa05


    Was referring to Bord Failtes insinuation that Ireland is a Good value location and that car hire was the only problem



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,726 ✭✭✭jj880


    Top 10 most expensive in the world.

    Lots of nearby countries in the top 25 cheapest to rent a car.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,625 ✭✭✭fliball123


    Can you show me one political party who as part of their mandate to get elected has said they are going to turn off HAP and other supports to our welfare class. There is more chance of me winning the lotto 100 times in a row than any political party doing this as the optics would be terrible. Joe Duffy's liveline would be off the hook with the poor me stories. As I have said countless times the tail wags the dog here. We have a welfare class to used to getting everything handed to them and when its questioned the worst case scenarios (the actual genuine cases of people needing state intervention) are wheeled out. HAP and others supports would be the last thing touched income tax, VAT would be ramped up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,036 ✭✭✭Villa05


    RTÉ looked at online quotes to rent a family car for a week here this summer and found the fees quoted were off the scale.

    To rent a small or compact car would cost €1,059, while an estate car was going for €2,377 and a large estate car would cost €5,688.

    The programme also heard how a two-night stay at a hotel in Dublin is now going for €700 compared to €450 for two nights in Paris

    And a scroll on Booking.com revealed that the only accommodation available in the capital this weekend was a two-bed hostel room priced at €818.

    One would think that they are priced so as to discourage business.

    I'd imagine that this practice will be remembered, and will affect business into the future. Some of The home nations voting against Ireland for hosting the rugby World Cup being an example. I'd imagine that this price gouging hasn't gone unnoticed in board rooms of multinationals.

    It's interesting to see that politicians are affected with one FF politician reporting they had to sleep in their car for 2 nights




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,359 ✭✭✭JimmyVik


    We were all for going on holiday in Ireland this year because still dotn want to run the risk of if you get covid you cant fly. When we were looking at the prices we just gave up and decided to take our chances with a holiday abroad.

    I see too that our latest minister for housing mayhem wants to make the situation even worse again.

    What does he think is going to happen when he hits whats left of airbnb.

    You can say goodbye to the tourist industry for a start/

    Then ones those properties are sold they arent coming back. Neither to rental nor airbnb. Youll probably get reits and councils buying them up. Wont even make a dent in the property market. Is it really worth destroying the tourist industry the way they are now?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,726 ✭✭✭jj880


    At this point global issues are only serving to show us up as 1 of poorest value countries in the world to visit / live in. Yes its happening everywhere but that doesn't explain Ireland being 1 of the worst offenders. We're bollixed.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,159 ✭✭✭wassie


    The IT reported earlier this month that

    The two newest hotels in the capital, the 421-bedroom Holiday Inn at Dublin Airport and the 393-bed Travelodge Plus in the city centre, were hired by Ipas for refugees early in the year, when it said the total number of hotels rooms in the State set aside for this purpose neared 5,500. Since then, more than 4,000 hotel rooms are said to have been hired on short-term contracts for Ukrainian refugees.

    ......

    Prior to the Ukrainian invasion, Ipas was doing deals to hire entire hotels at up to 100 per cent occupancy, often at nightly room rates of €100 and above. Such agreements seemed attractive to some hoteliers in the dead of winter because they eliminated any future risk to revenues of closure from virus resurgences.

    However, as tourism recovers and high season approaches, such deals now appear less attractive. In some locations traditionally reliant on tourism, local businesses are uneasy at the bulk of capacity going to refugees instead of tourists who will spend heavily in the local economy. Some hoteliers are also beginning to hint that Ipas may need to increase its rates this summer when many short-term contracts run out.

    The Irish Times recently reported from Rosslare in Wexford, where the manager of the Darby hotel said it would be “difficult” to extend its contract with Ipas this summer unless rates went up, because it was depressing its bar and restaurants sales and displacing tourists who would pay higher rates.

    The govt dept. IPAS (International Protection Accommodation Services) don't seem to publish figures, although they are probably available somewhere.

    Either way its the perfect storm of reduced supply, increased costs and labour shortages. Combine that with the rental car issue reported, doesnt bode well for the Tourism sector. Price gouging will amplify this. The supply issue is acknowledged as being temporary, but not in time for this summer after which the reputational damage will be done.

    Can't even begin to imagine what this is doing for folk needing emergency accomodation that have previously been housed in hotels.



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