Munster Team Talk Thread - Beirne After Reading

Burkie1203 · 22-05-2022 12:25PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119096702#Comment_119096702

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119096842#Comment_119096842

Penny had 5 carries for over 50m, made 20 tackles

Yeah absent indeed

awec · 22-05-2022 12:31PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119096618#Comment_119096618

I think it's a similar story for Munster over the years though, you are a big game cup team. You will get yourselves into a great mindset for a big european game, the performance will be lifted and the team will play better than the sum of it's parts.

But in lesser games, league games especially, there can be a mindset problem.

It's a very similar problem to what we have in Ulster.

22-05-2022 12:46PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119096897#Comment_119096897

Careful now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8-6aKV7tn4

aloooof · 22-05-2022 01:02PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119096897#Comment_119096897

I’d slightly disagree tbh, awec. My impression is that we’re doing enough in the regular season games to get us into knock-out stages, and it’s against the upper tier teams we’re struggling. The 2 teams we’ve struggled most against under JVG are Leinster and Saracens, often not firing a shot against them.

I get what you’re saying tho, we do still throw in the odd big performance like against Clermont.

irelandrover · 22-05-2022 01:04PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119097018#Comment_119097018

Id agree with that. We generally beat who we should with the odd bad loss. And we rarely beat the best teams with the odd big performance.

aloooof · 22-05-2022 01:05PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119097029#Comment_119097029

Exactly my thoughts. There’s the odd loss to Connacht or Ospreys but that’s generally going to happen over the course of a season. Leinster lost to Cardiff, like.

aloooof · 22-05-2022 01:06PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119096943#Comment_119096943

Anything of value to contribute?

theVersatile · 22-05-2022 01:20PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119096872#Comment_119096872

So you're telling me aside from his try where he had a free 20m run in, he made just the four carries across 80 minutes?

Sounds like he struggled to get involved in the game. No doubt he's an explosive athlete but quiet yesterday.

Burkie1203 · 22-05-2022 01:25PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119097113#Comment_119097113

Munster had 60% possession and still got beaten out the gate

Penny had 20 tackles and his other 4 carries averaged 8 metres apiece

But yeah quiet

razorblunt · 23-05-2022 06:07AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119095608#Comment_119095608

I don’t think Ahern has any reason to feel he played poorly, he had just as good a game as McCarthy in my opinion. The commentators would have been shouting from the rooftops if they saw McCarthy blow his nose properly during that game. Swap the players around and Ahern would have been raved about too.

Akrasia · 23-05-2022 07:05AM

So Ulster away followed by either Stormers in SA or Edinburgh? (Both away)

If Glasgow beat Leinster (very unlikely I know) and Munster end up playing Glasgow in the final (again, a long shot)

It would be a European knockout game with the winner getting the last slot in the Heineken Cup next year

I can't believe we've still not guaranteed our place and are relying on others to beat Glasgow

phog · 23-05-2022 08:04AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119097046#Comment_119097046

Obviously trolling but not unexpected from that poster

Cookiemunster · 23-05-2022 08:11AM

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Obviously extremely unlikely to happen, but if both Munster and Edinburgh somehow won their away quarter finals, Munster would be at home in the semi as they finished above Edinburgh in the league.

phog · 23-05-2022 08:17AM

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I don't really accept that - One, I think all Irish Teams lift themselves for Cup Games but I think we've shown in plenty of league games that we're well up for them and capable of winning them. It will be interesting to see what happens next season when we play all teams outside of the international window and see how we perform in SA. Unfortunately, I think at this stage we probably have a mental block when it comes to Leinster, we scored 3 tries on Saturday then concede a penalty try and it looked like our heads dropped.

Thoughts on the game in general - felt Munster were below par, like a lawnmower with dirty petrol, when running smoothly we looked good then spluttered and farted along for a few minutes then back to running smoothly again. Both teams had howlers with some passes going astray but Leinster did enough to beat us. When Murray scored that try early in the second half I thought maybe we might get the win but the penalty try was the killer for us. Missing tackles didn't help us much either.

aloooof · 23-05-2022 08:24AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119100712#Comment_119100712

I can't believe we've still not guaranteed our place and are relying on others to beat Glasgow

It's an indication of how close to the league was this year, with the addition of the SA teams. It's good for the league going forward, you'd imagine any slip ups could have a material effect. To me, it doesn't feel as bad a season as 2016 under Axel when we finished 6th and only qualified on the last day.

Interesting wrinkle to the structure tho.

Eod100 · 23-05-2022 10:09AM

QF KO out: Ulster v Munster (19:35), Kingspan Stadium, Friday

Jump_In_Jack · 23-05-2022 10:20AM

Munster had been in jeopardy since failing to secure the win against the Lions.

The win against Ulster away put a better look on it, but I called it ages ago that we would most likely get passed out due to the run of fixtures in the other teams’ favour.

At least the draw now avoids Leinster to the final.

The URC rules on the semi-final host team say the winner of the other quarter-final will host it unless the URC decide otherwise, I wonder why they didn’t just say highest ranked team gets home advantage in all playoff matches.

So, the question needs to be answered definitely by the URC, do Munster have a chance of hosting the semi if both away teams win on our side of the draw, or not.

Either way, Ulster is the focus now.

phog · 23-05-2022 10:26AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119101426#Comment_119101426

My asked me as would we travel up, my reply was this match will be a Friday evening - this confirmation of the fixture as good as rules us out from heading up.

Eod100 · 23-05-2022 10:36AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119101500#Comment_119101500

Don't think I'd have been going up anyway but having to take off time for work (if working Mon-Fri) and potentially having to stay the night if going by public transport is bit of a hurdle. Would have thought that game and potential for most away support. Wouldn't have been a bad idea to have that game the Sunday evening with the back hol or Sat evening but it is what it is. At least no games clash.

Akrasia · 23-05-2022 10:38AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119100908#Comment_119100908

Thats what I thought too, but then RTE have this

The winner of that interpro will be away to either the Stormers or Edinburgh in the semi-finals.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/united-rugby-championship/2022/0521/1300403-urc-quarter-finals-confirmed-as-ulster-host-munster/

Is it possible that Edinburgh could get the home semi because they'll have beaten a higher placed team in the QFs... or more likely, RTE got it wrong?

Former Former Former · 23-05-2022 10:38AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119101478#Comment_119101478

So, the question needs to be answered definitely by the URC, do Munster have a chance of hosting the semi if both away teams win on our side of the draw, or not.

Not.

You would imagine the 'unless URC decide otherwise' clause was inserted in case one country was swamped with Covid, but that isn't the case now.

Jump_In_Jack · 23-05-2022 10:42AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119101556#Comment_119101556

As FFF stated above, most likely Edinburgh would gain home advantage due to beating the higher seed.

To be fair that’s a valid way to proceed.

Akrasia · 23-05-2022 11:11AM

Will be an extremely difficult ask to beat Ulster, then likely travel to SA to play the stormers, and then likely back to the Aviva again

If I was a dreamer, I can see us beating Ulster with Coombes, POM, De-Allende, Zebo and Beirne back.

The trip to Capetown, of all the SA teams, is probably the easiest to play at. It's not at altitude, and it's almost the middle of winter over there so the temperature should be less of a shock

A full strength Munster team should be able to give the stormers a run for their money

Leinster at the Aviva... well, maybe they'll lose to Glasgow or the Sharks/Bulls (in which case we could have another trip to SA to play the final...

If we manage to pull it off, it would be some incredible achievement...

phog · 23-05-2022 11:45AM

Looking at the prices of the tickets for last Saturday's game and for the QF in Ulster you can see the great work MR did in pricing the tickets for our QF in the Avivia.

My tickets for the QF in the Aviva were €45

Similar ticker for the Leinster pool game were either €60 or €65

Tickets for the URC QF in Ravenhill are £40

Red Silurian · 23-05-2022 02:13PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119101888#Comment_119101888

I paid €73 (including ticketmaster fees) for 2 adults and a child for the Toulouse game... Honestly I think they had to price it that well to bring people to Dublin

Also my understanding is that the highest ranked team gets the home knockout game for the semi and the final. So if Edinburgh beat Stormers they will then travel for the semi.

theVersatile · 23-05-2022 02:18PM

https://www.munsterrugby.ie/2022/05/23/kevin-obyrne-to-depart-munster-rugby-for-ealing/

KOB to Ealing confirmed.

MarVeL · 23-05-2022 02:40PM

From here: https://www.unitedrugby.com/latest/about/competition-rules

Quarter-final 1 (QF1) – the Club ranked first in the Standing League Table will play at home against the Club ranked eighth in the Standing League Table. Quarter-final 2 (QF2) – the Club ranked second in the Standing League Table will play at home against the Club ranked seventh in the Standing League Table. Quarter-final 3 (QF3) – the Club ranked third in the Standing League Table will play at home against the Club ranked sixth in the Standing League Table. Quarter-final 4 (QF4)– the Club ranked fourth in the Standing League Table will play at home against the Club ranked fifth in the Standing League Table.

The winners of the quarter-final Matches will proceed to the semi-finals. The semi-finals will be knock-out, each played over one Match (subject to clause 5.1, below), and organised as follows:

Semi-final 1 (SF1) - the winner of QF1 versus the winner of QF4. The winner of QF1 will be the ‘home’ Club unless Pro Rugby Championship determines otherwise.

Semi-final 2 (SF2) - the winner of QF2 versus the winner of QF3. The winner of QF2 will be the ‘home’ Club unless Pro Rugby Championship determines otherwise.

Quin_Dub · 23-05-2022 02:56PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119103058#Comment_119103058

Yeah.. Semi-finals location is decided on "Conkers rules" whereby if you beat a higher ranked team in the QF you get then home advantage for the semi , regardless of where you were in the final league table.

It reverts to league table standings for the Final.

awec · 23-05-2022 03:00PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119101547#Comment_119101547

Monday 6th June is not a bank holiday in NI. The game itself is actually on a bank holiday, the UK is getting Thurs 2nd and Fri 3rd as days off for the jubilee. So the game could actually have been played much earlier in the day, though I suspect TV is dictating the KO time here.

I suspect Ulster don't really care about away support since they'll easily sell this out and Friday nights are always best for Ulster.

Eod100 · 23-05-2022 03:09PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119103159#Comment_119103159

Forgot about the different bank holidays. Yeah that makes sense. Was more a personal bellyache rather than expecting Ulster to change it if that's what suits them. Know there's a fair few games there on a Friday.

Munster Team Talk Thread - Beirne After Reading

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