Munster Team Talk Thread - Beirne After Reading

salmocab

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119136368#Comment_119136368

I don’t see what your first line is suggesting, it is the only thread that mods have made that warning (lately as far as I’ve see) it was in response to another post and was relevant to that post

Cookiemunster

Earls signs up until the world cup. Looks like he stays on a central contract too.

https://twitter.com/IrishRugby/status/1531659444223979522

Eod100

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119140539#Comment_119140539

You're quick off the mark! :) Great news

awec

I have gone through the last few pages of this thread and given out some notices to some posters who have not followed previous warnings in this thread.

That said, regarding posts like the below, while this is the Munster thread and red-tinted views and Munster bias are more than welcome, do not mistake this as a thread where you can goad supporters of other provinces and think you'll get away with it if they respond.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119134373#Comment_119134373

We mods cannot read every single thread all the time, we have lives outside of this forum, so again, if you see posts that you think are misplaced here please report them or message one of us! Don't just complain about it on the thread.

TomsOnTheRoof

Delighted for Earls. Fingers crossed he becomes a test centurion!

Cookiemunster

Leamys return has been made official. Takes the defence coach role on a 3 yr deal.

https://www.munsterrugby.ie/2022/06/01/denis-leamy-confirmed-as-munster-rugby-defence-coach/

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119140929#Comment_119140929

I'm delighted for him too. I was worried that he may have chosen to retire this season, worried for Munster because he's still an excellent player, not worried for him, as he owes us nothing and has earned the right to retire on his own terms as one of the greatest ever Munster players.

I'm glad the IRFU extended his central contract, not sure if Munster could have afforded to keep him without that.

Poorside

2 very positive announcements the last 2 days, its all coming together for Keith to top off his career with a HEC win in Dublin.

phog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119143726#Comment_119143726

Despite our quality players in his position he's a vital player for Munster. Delighted for him and for Munster

aloooof

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119143603#Comment_119143603

The one thing you can say about Munster under JVG and even Rassie is that our defence had been excellent.

Delighted with this and if Leamy can do as good a job as Ferreira and Neinaber, he’ll have done a fine job.

phog

Officials for Friday night's game.

Friday, 3 June 2022

Ulster Rugby vs Munster at Kingspan Stadium, Belfast - 20h35

Referee: Jaco Peyper

Assistant Referees: Hollie Davidson, Ben Blain

Television Match Official: Marius van der Westhuizen

Ulster vs. Munster Match Thread: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058248495/urc-final-8-ulster-vs-munster-friday-3rd-june-7-35pm-premier-sports-2-urc-tv#latest

Munster team named:

1             Josh Wycherley

2             Niall Scannell

3             Stephen Archer

4             Jean Kleyn

5             Fineen Wycherley

6             Peter O'Mahony

7             Alex Kendellen

8             Gavin Coombes

9             Conor Murray

10          Joey Carbery

11          Keith Earls

12          Damian de Allende

13          Chris Farrell

14          Andrew Conway

15          Mike Haley

               

16          Diarmuid Barron

17          Jeremy Loughman

18          John Ryan

19          Jason Jenkins

20          Thomas Ahern

21          Craig Casey

22          Ben Healy

Brief_Lives

Coombestone....!!!

phog

To avoid cries of being vicarious I decided to post this here rather the ERC Final thread.

It's ROG's thoughts/prep of the lead up to and the match itself.

aloooof

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119151096#Comment_119151096

That was a brilliant read. He’s building a hell of a CV.

phog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119152071#Comment_119152071

He's definitely heading in the right direction, there's a cohort of people in Ireland that probably want him to fail and are never slow to point out his failings or that he's coaching career was always this, that or the other but this season he's the head and brought LAR to European glory. Ideally for him, Ryan and Sean Dougall you'd like to see them get into the knockout games in the T14 this season too because as we all fighting on two fronts is a hell of a job for any team.

aloooof

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119152326#Comment_119152326

I remember at the end of last season seeing some comments about how La Rochelle very much looked like a Jono Gibbes coached team and ROG was up against it now he was in the top job on his own.

There’ll always be naysayers. You’d be delighted for ROG anyways but that kinda thing makes it a little sweeter.

Dubinusa

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119152653#Comment_119152653

ROG has widened his horizons and is doing great work. He's going to have a fantastic coaching career, imo.

Poorside

What's Archers contract situation? Is he going to become Munsters most capped player?

aloooof

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119154973#Comment_119154973

Extended for one more year.

sprucemoose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119152653#Comment_119152653

ive seen the 2009 lions mentioned too many times already. only a complete idiot who doesnt understand sport would think like that

Absolutely disgusted by this performance. If season ticket renewals were opening tomorrow, I would 100% not bother my arse renewing.

The only upside is the team should be nice and fresh next season because there won't be too many of them going to NZ after the past few weeks.

sprucemoose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119155560#Comment_119155560

its an interesting point, if covid hadnt disrupted the last few seasons, should fans have been showing their annoyance at the state of the team by not showing up to games? part of me thinks that the team should be supported now matter what, but another (big) part of me thinks that it would be a way of showing the current situation is unacceptable

Poorside

Well. That really was embarrassing.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119155743#Comment_119155743

It's a tough one, I'm a season ticket holder since before Munster last won silverware and this season was the closest I came to not bothering my arse renewing. In all my time supporting Munster, the Leinster game in Thomond Park in April was the first game I ever walked out of before the final whistle.

The Exeter and Ulster (April) results really came at the right to convince me to renew. The Toulouse game in May probably glossed over some more cracks but its the not showing up against Leinster and now Ulster has really sickened me.

Only for I feel some bit positive now that JVG is out the door and we have a newish coaching team incoming, I would nearly be emailing the MRSC looking for a refund.

aloooof

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119155789#Comment_119155789

Tonight, that Leinster game and the game against Connacht must be 3 of our worst peformances over the last few years? Like yourself, I considered not renewing (I don't get down as often as I used to just with family things) and there's a part of me just wishing I had gone with associate membership now and picked up tickets whenever I could get down.

I am interested to see what Prendergast in particular can bring to the table tho. There's a core of some really good young lads coming thru. In particular, I'd love to see Crowley getting a few more opportunities.

touts

As a Munster fan going to games for over 30 years I have to say I don't recall ever feeling this gloomy about the team. The strength on depth at Leinster is scary. The gap between them and the other Irish teams has never been greater. They basically have the Irish First 15 and 50 of the next best 70 Irish players to back them up. Ulster have passed us as the second Irish team but thats as much because we have slipped back rather than them stepping up.

In Europe the French and English have financial and player resources we can never match. We'll beat the ones that don't take Europe seriously but come up against a team that does, like Toulouse, and we're out. In the URC the South Africans look like they are getting adjusted to Northern Hemisphere rugby and will be a stronger force from now on. We'll make the Qtr finals in both competitions most years mainly because you have to be pretty awful not to. But we are sliding towards pretty awful.

The new management team is desperately needed but what can they do with a decidedly average squad and seemingly little interest or support from the IRFU to improve the squad. David Nucifora's answer to every problem in the Munster squad seems to be to tell us to develop an Irish solution. Well that's a five year project for most players and five more years of this dross and we'll be dead as a top level club. And worse still even if Nucifora did allow us recruit internationally to solve problems we don't have the financial ability to attract top talent. This squad feels like the Munster of the 90s but with no prospect of recruiting a Lankford or Williams to drive us to the next level.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119156166#Comment_119156166

Even though i'm on the record as saying i think van Grann was a truly awful appointment, our issues go way, way deeper than him.

Until we find a way to produce a lot more good players we are going to be also-rans. We cannot rely on signing Leinster's spares and the odd top class talent.

It's a numbers game and Munster as a whole hasn't produced enough decent players in the last decade. If we take a (somewhat arbitrary) number of international caps as the mark of a truly good player (obviously all the professionals are good players) what would that number be? And how many current players will reach it? I don't think it's unfair to say 15+ Irish caps is a standard we should hope for. How many of our current pack would get 15 or Irish caps, and how many of those are home grown? Guy who've done it, like Scannell, Ryan and POM are on the way out, of those coming through, who do we really think is going to become a mainstay of the Irish team.

I got into a fair debate about the underage structures in Munster here at the start of the season, and was roundly told off for being wrong and mean etc, but I stand by it, until we have an Academy over-producing what we need we're going nowhere.

Fwiw, the IRFU have supported Munster quite a bit with debt restructuring and allowing us sign guys like Snyman and de Allende, even if that was with outside money. It's weird, we've a great stadium and a world-class training base but not enough homegrown players, did we prioritise infrastructure over underage development?

TomsOnTheRoof

One of the biggest issues evident during JvG's tenure has been our selection policy. Time and again we have seen mediocrity rewarded with a guaranteed spot in the starting XV. How the hell are Scannell, Archer, Murray, Carbery and Farrell (works hard but can't **** pass) deemed good enough to start.

It has nothing to do with their replacements. Barron, Buckley, Ryan, Casey, Healy, Coombes and Daly have all shown a hell of a lot more over the course of the season than these guys and they still can't get a sniff in a big game.

It's no wonder we fail time and again. Not only are the coaching team bang average (trying to play a fast offloading game with a glacial scrum half and then reverting to type when faced with decent sides) but they have allowed complacency to fester within the team.

How have the likes of Archer and Scannell continued to get selected despite having some of the worst discipline in the league. Penalty after penalty given away only for them to fix the ref with looks of injured innocence. If they were a team mate of mine in thirds they would have been **** savaged by now.

We pick an aging scrum half who can't make a break or seemingly even pass. Our fly half continues to be selected over more deserving players as he's been anointed as Ireland's replacement for Sexton, despite having shown very little in the way of ability in that position.

I'm disgusted with tonight's performance. Absolutely disgusted. Thank **** JvG is gone and Larkham too. May they never darken a door within the club again. Spoofers of the highest order. And the jury is still very much out on Rowntree. He's not an innocent party in this by a long shot.