Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

Yes.. when it ends up costing us our collective wellbeing…and our daily lives get impacted so disastrously by what’s transpiring. Of course people will look for an alternative.

people here will look at the British. See how much a success exiting can be.

people here might even entertain the idea of an economic agreement..

Farage has predicted the end of the EU within a decade…

scoff ? Perhaps, I think within the next 20-30 years is far more realistic.

there is rising scepticism around the EU membership here…what we’ve seen happening to and in the country over the last decade, and now this, on the back of a pandemic and previously a recession….

the EU nor anybody there care one millimetre about the wellbeing of the everyday ordinary citizens in member states.. Ireland included.

its decisions and rules are practically malicious towards our wellbeing..

hundreds of thousands of people from outside the eu can arrive, your citizens will pay for their healthcare, housing, cash supports, security and every element of their wellbeing…

there will be an influx of Ukrainians as a pandemic still is happening.

there will be a further wave from further afield once it’s over…

what can we do ? Nada, nothing, sweet fcuk all…

we’ll seek our own wellbeing and happiness through taxes paid but we will as we have been…considered last in the Q for everything..

We don’t know when this ‘ thing ‘ will end to the point when the refugees can return . We are in extremely UNPRECIDENTED times and the whole thing came as a shock to the international fraternity Especially because it all happened in such a short space of time and is continuing eg the mass movement of millions from their homes and millions moving to Other countries as refugees ; the sheer BRUTALITY of the invading army towards human civilian life ; the complete levelling of villages , towns and cities

we are where we are and , as a nation, we should deal/ manage with what we are presented with

the following thoughts might help us to rethink what we might do/ say in the future:-

(a) For two years plus, certain professions - mainly the nursing profession- actually put their very lives on the line - especially during the early months of Covid. We were all so deeply appreciative of their herculan efforts. There was never a mention of going on strike /. Work to rule/ and they worked in conditions away beyond the call of duty. Eg some staying in accommodation other than their home so that they would reduce che chances of bringing Covid home to family.

(b)could the rest of us professionals / private individuals not come ‘ UP TO THE PLATE’ like the Nurses did. A Hugh plus for us is that this refugee crisis is not as threatening to our very existance as covid was to the nurses. The hospitals did not put caps/ limits on the number of people turning up at the Hosp door . They managed what was presented to them

(c) we should expect that this refugee issue is going to put us all out a bit -especially those in the private sector that will house refugees; the services that are a challenge to get and will increase as refugees look for same

(d we are supposed to be a nation with a very high level of volunteering , helping out, financially contributing to worthy situations , both at

local , national and international level when compared to other countries - so where is all that goodwill gone?

(e) what about that phrase unique to Ireland ie ‘Ceide Mile Failte’. Should we consider dropping it now given all the reasons, including whataboutery, etc that we find here before we should agree to any more UkS coming in

Why do you keep spelling unprecedented wrong and in capitals?

I think this is an incorrect way of looking at it even if you are "right" and have actually added together all the debt repayments over 25 years rather than just looking for a way to avoid admitting you made an error there and added on a zero.

Ireland borrows money, it pays off interest on it. Usually countries don't pay back all the principal as I (non economist) understand it (or they do so quite slowly over decades). If they have a debt "problem", their economies grow (hopefully), it reduces in importance due to inflation.

The current amount that we owe and so potential interest payments, the size of those in comparison to the Irish economy, the tax take + budget to run the state etc. is the only way to consider it that makes sense + to identify if the amount owed is, in fact, a problem.

edit: I'm not even sure now you are right about the repayments totalling that much when I look at what the current interest rate is for example? I expect the repayments made over the 25 years are at very most the same order of magnitude as the current debt (hundreds of billions of Euro, not trillions).

how many trillion ? thats unquantifiable, simply because..

the government are not putting a limit on their numbers…..that would be a help wouldn’t it !

The government will likely offer an amnesty to whomever wants to stay when eventually in a few years it’s over

impacts on health, transport, travel and more besides will be colossal.

its going to go on years… so yes.. I’m saying trillions… our debt as of February was around a quarter of a trillion..

I would say now the mental health problems our own are going through would seem fairly insignificant in comparson to what those poor people have gone through in the war in Ukraine, perspictive is needed here

Obviously, you've never been in the situation when you've been trying to stop a family member taking their own life. Or watching someone go through mental torture due to sexual abuse or rape.

Each person who has a mental illness and fights his or her own war.

Mental illness isn't comparable.

Seeing a warzone can cause PTSD, so can being the victim of sexual abuse.

It would probably be best that you read up on such things before posting such dribble again.

Ah sure the despair of our own is completely "insignificant" all them lads and girls you see online who are missing and then a few weeks later the search is stood down because a body has been found... thats if the family is lucky, ah sure they're all insignificant, neighbour of mine was caught by his son with a rope around his neck a week ago, family couldn't afford the care he should have had, but sure go ahead bring in more mentally and physiologically damaged people than we can manage into an already overburdened health system till the whole system topples over under its own weight, all I can think of is that posters like yourself miss the well made arguments by others by a country mile, but sure if it makes ye feel good and superior being so far removed from the reality on the ground good luck to ye