Cities around the world that are reducing car access

cgcsb · 25-04-2022 9:16pm

That report is really good, every petrol lobby objection is firmly rebuffed with evidence. Mannix won't read it though.

specialbyte · 25-04-2022 10:28pm

There's some great tidbits in that report. Full report here: https://janethorner.ie/img/capel-street-consultation-report-final.pdf

the busiest time for pedestrians is between 11am and 7pm, almost two-thirds of the daily pedestrian totals occur during these hours. By not including these hours it would exclude the majority of pedestrians from benefiting from a Traffic Free environment.

which is aimed at refuting Dublin Town's lobbying demand that pedestrianisation only be after 7:30pm.

There's a real dismantling of each issue raised by some businesses point by point. It's worth a full read but here's some of my highlights.

These were mainly from businesses in the Jervis Centre, fourteen from Louis Copeland staff and 24 from unknown businesses who didn’t include their business name or location.

LOL at 24 businesses not signing their name and Louis Copeland forcing all of their staff to sign the same templated letter.

Dublin Town's concern:

it is well known that the reduction of Capel Street to a single lane led to significant traffic congestion in December 2021. The current proposal will cause significant impact to retail businesses in the Henry Street/ Mary Street area, in an already challenging economic climate

Capel Street has had a single lane forever, expect after the Luas tracks where it widens. Here's DCC pithy response:

December 2021 saw the highest levels of footfall since 2013 on Henry St

The threats of legal action from businesses and Dublin Town and DCC's response is worth a read:

Dublin Town:

“fear that the current process could have a polarising effect, resulting in objections and the pursuance of legal actions, that can be avoided, but which would make future collegiate more difficult. They may also only serve to delay the positive interventions which would enhance the city experience for all.”

Other Businsses:

"the current process also increases the likelihood of legal based responses which could lead to court challenges, injunctions and appeals”

DCC Response:

significant consultation has been held on this proposal with substantial numbers responding each time and with over 7,000 leaflets being distributed in Capel Street and surrounding areas to ensure maximum input from residents and other stakeholders. There has been great engagement and support from the public and their elected representatives and there is we believe sufficient consensus to make this a great opportunity to change this street for the benefit of the majority and it is certainly hoped that legal challenges will not arise and delay this proposal. It will be reviewed at the end of the summer with a report being presented to councillors in order to assess what worked and what had not.

Peregrine · 27-04-2022 10:39am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118975485#Comment_118975485

Approved by councillors today. Capel Street will be pedestrianised up to Strand Street next month.

Thelonious Monk · 27-04-2022 10:45am

I wish I could see Mannix's face now

p_haugh · 27-04-2022 11:48am

Good thing about this is that it seems to be "permanent with ongoing review". For the time being though, it will just be bollards restricting access, with the current layout remaining as is. In the longer term (over the next year or so), there will hopefully be plans to fully do up the street produced.

OEP · 27-04-2022 3:39pm

Need to do South William Street next. It was so much more pleasant during the time it was pedestrianised than it is now

p_haugh · 27-04-2022 4:02pm

Given all the commotion over Capel Street, luckily Parliament Street hasn't been forgotten about just yet - the council will be looking into that next

https://twitter.com/RayMcAdam/status/1519309600423620611?t=EtO3XVp7HwG8RuTp0vJBzw&s=19

crushproof · 27-04-2022 10:20pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118984492#Comment_118984492

Great news, it was great being able to sit out and eat on Parliament Street last summer, great vista towards City Hall.

gjim · 28-04-2022 12:34am

That report fills me with optimism that this represents a watershed in the battle for space and priority between car traffic and everyone else in the city. It's such a pleasant surprise that a tiny minority of noisy NIMBYs - whose concerns are always amplified by the media for some reason - are not allowed to block urban improvements that will benefit so many. Capel St. is a great street already in terms of character, this will make it into to something really special, particularly when they get around to updating the public realm to reflect its new status.

AndrewJRenko · 28-04-2022 6:04am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118975859#Comment_118975859

The real question is how will the businesses survive if the staff can’t store their personal vehicles outside the shop?????

LXFlyer · 28-04-2022 6:39am

It will become a lot easier to pedestrianise Parliament Street on an all day basis when the G Spine of BusConnects is launched in August, as that will remove the frequent 79 and 79a bus routes from the street, leaving only the hourly 69, which could be re-routed along the North Quays.

Seth Brundle · 29-04-2022 9:17am

Go on the Rebels...

https://twitter.com/irishexaminer/status/1519929488829829120

Thelonious Monk · 05-05-2022 5:02pm

https://twitter.com/DubCityCouncil/status/1522237753710333956

It's official. Capel St businesses to collapse and street to become full of vagrants and drunks.

AlmightyCushion · 05-05-2022 5:42pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119020172#Comment_119020172

It's destined to become an empty wasteland devoid of people just like Grafton Street and Henry Street

cgcsb · 05-05-2022 8:12pm

I feel like there's a bit of momentum now and it would be a real shame to stop now. They need to make real progress on pedestrian schemes on the centre. Liffey Street, college green and more and more side streets.

Can't believe there still isn't a properly designed liffey cycle route after all this time even after it's been shown there's plenty of road space for it.

Sam Russell · 06-05-2022 10:26am

The key movement has to be the continued progress to extinguish parking places and the enforcement of parking laws. Not all to be done at one but a few at a time.

Seth Brundle · 11-05-2022 10:19am

Paging Mannix Flynn, Paging Mannix Flynn, oh he's already here...

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/legal-challenge-capel-street-pedestrianisation-23910604

namloc1980 · 11-05-2022 1:14pm

Newstalk giving the jeweller airtime to spout nonsense about cycle lanes. The media agenda against active travel is bizarre.

https://twitter.com/LunchtimeLiveNT/status/1524361020680069120?t=Cfa4HiZMd28RjeQfckAoZg&s=19

Seth Brundle · 11-05-2022 2:49pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119044990#Comment_119044990

Apparently Mannix hasn't announced that he is taking a legal action against the decision but that he believes one is imminent. Apparently what he said was "I'm led to believe, also, in terms of Capel Street, and the full closure of Capel Street, there will be a legal challenge in relation to that matter very shortly which is really unfortunate"

cgcsb · 11-05-2022 6:23pm

There's no grounds for legal challenge. There's been ample consultation and the public even voted for it and those opposed to it had all their concerns addressed in great detail by the latest report.

p_haugh · 18-05-2022 10:40am

Capel Street being pedestrianised from Friday morning:

https://twitter.com/DubCityCouncil/status/1526848218075746304?t=DzqFB1k66XrjwozSK61Emw&s=19

Peregrine · 20-05-2022 10:11am

Capel Street will be pedestrianised at 11am.

Peregrine · 20-05-2022 11:11am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119088644#Comment_119088644

It's done.

Grassey · 20-05-2022 11:40am

Has the city erupted into riots, burned out shells of buildings and other end of day type scenarios yet?

loyatemu · 20-05-2022 11:58am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119089031#Comment_119089031

I believe every business on the street has now closed and the owners emigrated to more civilised, car-friendly countries.

Sam Russell · 20-05-2022 1:44pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119089112#Comment_119089112

Except the businesses unexpectedly finding that their business has improved substantially due to the absence of cars, car fumes, and the freedom passersby have to stand and stare - and linger on their likely purchases.

Heartbreak Hank · 20-05-2022 2:07pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119089031#Comment_119089031

The rioters couldn't get to the Capel St. rally as they couldn't find any close parking

cgcsb · 20-05-2022 2:35pm

The elderly and disabled have been thrown into the grinder to produce solent green by all accounts. Mind you the elderly and disabled probably preferred being able to make their way around without 4 SUVS blocking the pedestrian crossing a d mounting the pavement but we'll never know now.

AlmightyCushion · 20-05-2022 3:29pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119089549#Comment_119089549

Will you stop with this nonsense. Every one knows people are happier and healthier when the gentle hum of car traffic is in the air. Plus, food and drink tastes way better when accompanied with a side of diesel fumes.

20-05-2022 3:32pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119090313#Comment_119090313

Stop, I'm trying to cut back, need to lose some PM, you're making me wheezey

Cities around the world that are reducing car access

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