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Covid vaccines - thread banned users in First Post

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  • Registered Users Posts: 187 ✭✭ gladvimpaker


    No definitely not, I am not the type of person to rereg. Some might do it but I couldn't be at that. It's not my style, it's all or nothing. People here think everyone will rereg and come back in, but I'm not going to have more than one account here. Why would I be putting myself in that position again ?

    I'm done with the vaccine conspiracy subject, I'm sure you'll be here much longer than I whack a mole left right and center.

    You must be tired of it too at this.



  • Registered Users Posts: 187 ✭✭ gladvimpaker


    I'm sure a few more of our tribe will arrive and you can feed off them, we're seasonal. We're predictable and you can study us as we drop anchor and stay for a few weeks.

    You'll be still here anyhow, you're predictable too. You need posters like us in order to function in the conspiracy theorist realm. If we're not here you'll have no one to to knock down in order to build yourself up. But I'm sure you'll be entertained. There's more of us than you :)



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,717 ✭✭✭ Fighting Tao


    Thank you for confirming that you are a re-reg or had multiple accounts. What were the account names? Always good to have honesty so we know where everyone stands.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,339 ✭✭✭✭ King Mob


    mm hmm. That's nice.

    However we've had plenty of experience with conspiracy theorists and anti-vaxxers reregging. Why they do it, we don't know and they won't say.

    You've already announced that you're leaving, yet here you are still posting. Repeated dramatic exits are also a hallmark of conspiracy theorists in these parts.


    And no, why would I be tired of this? All we need to do is to point out the obvious lies and contradictions in your position, ask you something really basic questions that expose how silly and ignorant your theories are, then watch you freak out, dodge and then run away. It's not that hard really.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 23,315 Mod ✭✭✭✭ robinph


    There's more of us than you :)


    Don't think there is, otherwise how would you account for the vast majority of the population having leaped at the chance of getting the vaccines and return to normal without believing any of the rubbish spouted on here about fake safety issues, magnetic vaccine, 5g vaccines or Bill Gates trying to track us or sterilise us or kill us off in some other way.


    Conspiracy theorists are the outlier in society.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,717 ✭✭✭ Fighting Tao


    Yes, when you come back I will be here and I’ll challenge nonsense and lies when I see them. It’s better than letting conspiracy theorists spread crap.

    Yes, conspiracy theorists are quite predictable. The latest addition to their tools pretending to be just asking questions is so easy to spot though. CT’ists should really put more effort in if they want to lie about their stance. I’ve seen better fibs from my toddlers.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,339 ✭✭✭✭ King Mob


    This tactic seems to be a result of the grifters shifting their grift away from detailed and specific claims. It's more profitable for them to keep things vague to allow the theories they're selling to fit with more worldviews. The best way to do this is to ask questions for their suckers to answer for themselves.

    So when a grifter asks stuff like "Why are they pushing dangerous vaccines?", by not supplying it can fit with people who believe "Because they're trying to depopulate the planet" as well as with people who believe "cause they're just in it for profit." Or with people who think "it's the mark of the beast!"

    And since conspiracy theorists seem to only be able to parrot what they hear from their grifters, they can only ask the same open ended questions.


    Also, I think a lot of them have learned from previous interactions with friends and family that if they are open and clear about what they believe, the conversation never goes great for them. Either because what they believe is so ridiculous and/or they are not able to actually explain it. So they've found that sticking to vague, non-committal questions makes them sound cooler and more informed and mysterious than if they just admit they believe it's the lizard people or the Jews or whatever.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,437 ✭✭✭✭ Dohnjoe



    You can tell by the way conspiracy theorists never question each other, how much they question the grifters who are selling them these conspiracies in the first place.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,437 ✭✭✭✭ Dohnjoe



    *Whilst lecturing everyone else to "question everything"



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,087 ✭✭✭ Shoog


    This is the very definition of what a CT'er does, he insinuates that he has some hidden knowledge which makes him superior to everyone else - he understands more of what going on. To be a CT'er is to puff yourself up and imagine yourself one of an enlightened elite.


    Its so tiresome. the shrillness and stridency of the CT'er has somewhat diminished since its become obvious that most of them are getting their info from Russian troll farms 😂



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  • Registered Users Posts: 547 ✭✭✭ shillyshilly


    but remember not to question the parts that unravel the conspiracy.... surround those parts with mystery and Bill Gates



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,088 ✭✭✭ 323


    Straight from the horses mouth, so to speak. Investors have to told about potential risks

    We may not be able to demonstrate sufficient efficacy or safety of our COVID-19 vaccine and/or variant specific formulations to obtain permanent regulatory approval in the United States, United Kingdom, European Union or other countries where it has been authorized for emergency use or granted conditional marketing approval.

    Direct from Pfizer’s annual report to the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) about how “profitable” their vaccine will be for shareholders. It states the following in the “Risk Factors for investors/shareholder’s section:

    • Our revenue depends heavily on sales of our COVID-19 vaccine, and our future revenues from our COVID-19 vaccine are uncertain.
    • Our commercial revenue is based on preliminary estimates of COVID-19 vaccine sales and costs from Pfizer Inc., or Pfizer, that are likely to change in future periods, which will impact our reported financial results.

    Strange how a suggestion anywhere apart from this tread that these experimental injections are not been given regulatory approval or been shown to be safe brings down the wrath of mods and has caused numerous accounts to be canceled, yet Pfizer say just that to the financial regulators and their investors?

    “Follow the trend lines, not the headlines,”



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,339 ✭✭✭✭ King Mob


    And another out of context quote with no source misrepresented by an anti-vaxxer.


    Is there a reason you're not providing a source?

    Is it because you didn't get one in the tweet you're copying it from?

    Or is it because you know the link doesn't actually support what you're claiming?



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,511 ✭✭✭ whippet


    your factually incorrect.

    The vaccine has full license and approval from the FDA - it moved from 'emergency' license in 2021. the use of the vaccine in some circumstances / demographics is still under EUA .. it is fully approved for the main demographic.


    Also - of course they can't predict with 100% accuracy of what the future revenues will be for the covid vaccine - as they have no certainty around when it will no longer be required, superseded by a different product / competitor .. which vaccines schedules it will be included on (if any) and of course how the new anti-virals will work.

    So .. selective quoting from a 34 page document proves that you know nothing about it and it is a clear attempt by people to discredit the vaccine.

    Clutching at straws really

    and just so you can see - below from the horse mouth is the FDA confirming that Pfizer's vaccine is full approved for over 16s ..... not an emergency license ... not an experiment ... not a trial. So if you say any different you are telling lies, are misinformed or are just parroting nonsense you got from grifters.


    https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-first-covid-19-vaccine



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,339 ✭✭✭✭ King Mob


    Yup. Either didn't actually read the document beyond what was in the tweet he's stealing from. Which would make him a gullible mark for the grifters.

    Or he did read it and left out that context on purpose, which would make him a liar.


    So which is it @323? A or B?

    Or are you going to be a coward and vanish from the thread without a response?



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,437 ✭✭✭✭ Dohnjoe


    Context below: (clue: it's a disclaimer)

    SEC filing for 2021.



    D. Risk Factors

    Our business is subject to various risks, including those described below. You should consider carefully the risks and uncertainties described below and in our future filings. If any of the following risks are realized, our business, financial condition, results of operations and prospects could be materially and adversely affected. Additionally, risks and uncertainties not currently known to us or that we currently deem to be immaterial also may materially adversely affect our business, financial condition, results of operations and/or prospects.

    Investing in the ADSs involves various risks. You should carefully read and consider the matters discussed in this Annual Report under the heading “Risk Factors,” which include the following risks:

    •Our revenue depends heavily on sales of our COVID-19 vaccine, and our future revenues from our COVID-19 vaccine are uncertain.

    •Our reported commercial revenue is based on preliminary estimates of COVID-19 vaccine sales and costs from Pfizer Inc., or Pfizer, as Pfizer’s fiscal quarter for subsidiaries outside the United States differs from ours and creates an additional time lag. These estimates are likely to change in future periods, which will impact our reported financial results.

    •We may not be able to demonstrate sufficient efficacy or safety of our COVID-19 vaccine and/or variant-specific formulations to obtain permanent regulatory approval in the United States, the United Kingdom, the European Union, or other countries where it has been authorized for emergency use or granted conditional marketing approval.

    •Significant adverse events may occur during our clinical trials or even after receiving regulatory approval, which could delay or terminate clinical trials, delay or prevent regulatory approval or market acceptance of any of our product candidates.

    •We face significant competition from other makers of COVID-19 vaccines and may be unable to maintain a competitive market share for our COVID-19 vaccine.

    •We have only recently built our marketing and sales organization. If we are unable to continue to increase our marketing and sales capabilities on our own or through third parties, we may not be able to market and sell our product candidates effectively in the United States and other jurisdictions, if approved, or generate product sales revenue.


    Note the word "may". You are an airline company, the risks that face your investors: your planes MAY crash, which MAY affect share price. It doesn't mean they will crash. Jesus christ.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,853 ✭✭✭ Hoop66


    Option C without a doubt. But that doesn't mean they're not a gullible mark and a liar too!



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,088 ✭✭✭ 323


    Straight from the horses mouth, so to speak. Pfizer’s annual report to the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC).

    We may not be able to demonstrate sufficient efficacy or safety of our COVID-19 vaccine and/or variant specific formulations to obtain permanent regulatory approval in the United States, United Kingdom, European Union or other countries where it has been authorized for emergency use or granted conditional marketing approval.

    Also, in the “Risk Factors for investors/shareholder’s section

    Our revenue depends heavily on sales of our COVID-19 vaccine, and our future revenues from our COVID-19 vaccine are uncertain.

    Our commercial revenue is based on preliminary estimates of COVID-19 vaccine sales and costs from Pfizer Inc., or Pfizer, that are likely to change in future periods, which will impact our reported financial results.

    Strange that a year ago, even a hint here that Pfizer’s shots were not approved could lead to a ban. Yet Pfizer’s documentation for investors clearly states they're still not approved.

    “Follow the trend lines, not the headlines,”



  • Subscribers Posts: 36,024 ✭✭✭✭ sydthebeat


    Nothing but a blubbering idiot at this stage



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,717 ✭✭✭ Fighting Tao


    @323 When you don’t understand the document or context you make yourself Look foolish when you try to make it look like you understand. It’s ok not to understand something, but it is not ok to lie about it to push an agenda based on bullshit.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,339 ✭✭✭✭ King Mob


    Yes, that's what you claimed a few posts ago.

    But several posters have pointed out issues with you claim. You are just ignoring them and spamming the same shite.

    This seems to be because you aren't able toform your own opinions and arguments and can only parrot what you learn from Twitter grifters.


    Why do you think that ignoring points and repeating the same lie again using the same phrasing and the same mindless Twitter commentary would convince anyone? Why do you think it makes you look like anything except a spambot?


    You won't answer though. Conspiracy theorists aren't able to confront this stuff.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,695 ✭✭✭ Pinch Flat


    anti-vaxxers really are a specialist kind of simple



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,437 ✭✭✭✭ Dohnjoe



    And we find them in abundance in their natural habitat; on conspiracy theory forums



  • Registered Users Posts: 911 ✭✭✭ snowcat


    Again the extreme pro vaxxers, pro drug, pro gmo, pro chemical, pro "trust the science". Mainly i dont understand the science but the experts have said its ok so it is.

    There is no great conspiracy with the vaxxes. They seem to be fine, they have not killed anyone (debatable).

    Again I will draw an analogy with GMO food. Yes it seems fine. Yes it has been declared safe. Yes it will solve the world hunger problem. However What will happen to our birds bees etc in 10-20 years and what surprises do we have in store with pharma enhanced food?

    In the long run do I want it in my body?

    Yes if i go out for a meal ill eat it. Yes it wont kill me. Do I agree with it. No. Am I a conspiracy theorist? The extreme pro druggers/vaxxers would think so.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,437 ✭✭✭✭ Dohnjoe


    There's no such thing as "pro-vaxxer", it's a term invented by people who have a completely irrational view to validate their tribalism. Likewise "flat-earthers" have invented a term for people who believe the world is round - aka everyone

    You are simply taking the "I'm just concerned about vaccines" approach in order to try and separate yourself from the full-on loons. Problem is you rely on a lot of the same faulty talking points.



  • Registered Users Posts: 911 ✭✭✭ snowcat


    Ok. Give me a term then that describes someone that believes we should vaxx kids that have statistically zero risk from covid for covid. (With the risks from the vaccine factored in)



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,511 ✭✭✭ whippet




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  • Registered Users Posts: 911 ✭✭✭ snowcat


    I think there is a very emotional and synaptic response to being called a anti vaxxer or a pro vaxxer. The pro vaxxer loved it as a way to denegrade the lesser beings that were the anti vaxxers and were jumped on by the media et al as uneducated or unscientific. However when the vaccices started to underperform the platform shifted. We had a divergence from the vaccines will protect you (full Stop) to the vaccines will protect you from serious illness and death. (We sort of expected that!). Again when you were never really in risk from the virus due to age etc the arguement for the vaccines really wained. Now we all sort of expect that the vaxx was grand. We think or was Omicron just milder?



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