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Recession predictions

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,304 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Some people use interest rate term spreads as an indicator of upcoming recessions:

    http://econbrowser.com/archives/2022/05/term-spread-models-and-recession-probabilities-for-april-2023



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭Timing belt




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,304 ✭✭✭✭Geuze




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    They said inflation will reduce next year....no ****!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    They're introducing us to the idea the party is coming to an end. And rightly so. The money being thrown around like its worthless has gone on too long.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


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    Netflix is laying off around 150 employees across the company, CNBC confirmed Tuesday.


    The eliminated positions represent less than 2% of the streamer’s 11,000 staffers, with most of the cuts happening in the U.S.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,141 ✭✭✭wassie


    Are you posting this as suggestive of a looming recession? If so I would suggest you would be wrong.

    Netflix share price crashing & cost cutting is a result of loss of subscribers and hence growth for the first time in its history, huge increase competition over last 2 years from major players like Apple, Amazon & Disney and the pandemic coming to an end. People are leaving their living rooms and being more selective on their subscriptions. And they are now relatively expensive also.

    Dont get me wrong, I totally agree the economic storm clouds are gathering, but Netflix's fundamentals are struggling and they would have taken a hit regardless.

    It would be ironic if Netflix though didn't recover and ended up going the way of Blockbuster, for whos demise it was responsible for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭Timing belt


    Is it just Netflix or is it the start of wider trend as earnings drop due to a reduction in disposable income due to higher costs thanks to inflation/rate rises

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 247 ✭✭hayse


    Talking to a sales rep for Ford earlier, he has big orders in on transits and customs for July. Building boom is roaring once again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭Timing belt


    Is that not just down to supply finally hitting the market. Maybe a coincidence but waiting since oct for new car and will only be delivered June/July as there was no stock available anywhere.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 247 ✭✭hayse


    No issue with Ford supply.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 247 ✭✭hayse


    With the greatest respect timing belt I have no interest in entertaining a penis size competition with interweb links and having a judge Judy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 247 ✭✭hayse


    I could post plenty interweb links to counter timing belts one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,127 ✭✭✭greenfield21


    Ah here in fairness it is well known that car manufacturers have/had supply chain issues/part shortages and were not able to keep up. Plenty of articles on it.


    Also From ford Q1 report

    "In Europe, first quarter 2022 wholesales decreased 9% from a year ago, primarily reflecting the impact of supply constraints on production, including semiconductors."

    https://www.sec.gov/ix?doc=/Archives/edgar/data/0000037996/000003799622000024/f-20220331.htm



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    I'm just posting it as it may or may not be the start of something bigger.

    Walmart just posted their earnings in America today and they have said they are now overstaffed. Amazon took on tonnes of people during the pandemic and their growth hasn't sustained the need for them. Facebook are on a hiring freeze in some departments.

    These are the kinds of things we haven't seen in a long time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,740 ✭✭✭Arthur Daley


    Britain is claiming full employment, more vacancies than there are on the dole.

    Question is how many jobs are gig economy, low grade now. How many vacancies are because the wage can't provide a living with inflation of 8% raging.

    Headline numbers are one thing, standards of living have fallen for a lot of folk.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭Timing belt


    There are a lot of vacancies in Ireland that are not in the Gig economy and this is leading to churn in the workforce because people can move and get a nice uplift in salary. It will take time for this to change but I would expect to see a slow down in the number of vacancies.

    financial services will take a hit especially funds. They will continue to collect their 2% but it might take longer to meet the hurdle and get their 20% on capital appreciation or it will be lower than previously. This will mean smaller bonuses and trimming fat from the past few years and challenging costs of suppliers such as solicitors/audit etc. which will result in non funds financial services being impacted.

    Likewise in Tech if earnings drop and costs rise they will slow there expansion which will lead to less vacancies.

    my estimate would be we won’t see this change in vacancies till Q4 2022 or 2023. But you never know Businesses may apply the brakes early in anticipation of this happening.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭Timing belt


    Ok not financial services or tech but correlates to Tech. To change plans from tripling headcount to a headcount freeze is a big change in direction on the hiring front. Admittedly they took a hammering last week so may be an outlier but interesting all the same



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    It's a pretty common talking point now on news. Sky News were asking the question earlier. Could be self fulfilling anyways but a lot of indicators are pointing to a contraction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭SortingYouOut


    This prediction thread is fairly lively now that a recession seems inevitable. I'm a child of the 2008 crash that seen deflation and my parents left with little money to take advantage of that, like many. What implications will an inflationary recession have? I've a bit of cash there and not a notion what to do with it but hate the thought of it losing value. Will it ever come down or do we just adjust and my devalued cash remains as such?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


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    Over 10% of Paypals Irish workforce are being cut!




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    Not to discount it as a recession indicator, but I've been wondering what PayPal's future is in the face of services like Revolut or Google Pay. Even in the best of times I think their days are numbered.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,998 ✭✭✭c.p.w.g.w


    The biggest concern I would have...our current economic system and the drive to safe the environment don't fit together...

    Looking at shopping centre the country over, 50% clothes, 1 big super market, a few coffee shops and smoothie places, a "health"store, 1 or 2 jewelry stores and a pennies...

    Genuinely believe the majority of the cloths are poor quality and the ones that are good quality are "too expensive"... jewelry weather expensive or costume seems to go in phases and waves, like my wife has 11 Alex & Ani but I haven't seen her wear any in nearly 3 years, unlike her Dr Martens which she wears whenever she's able to...

    My BIL is the same, he has shoes made in sweet shops in Asia that his paid over €500 for, but sure after 1 year they are starting to fall apart...I have a leather pair of shoes/booth(€100) that I have over 8 years and typically wear on a Saturday & Sunday every week still good as new, got the sole replaced last year for €30, good quality and great value in fairness

    The whole fashion industry and marketing of that industry is detrimental to the environment as there is a significant level of transport and waste...

    But the economy needs these things to generate jobs and tax/rents/rates...

    If governments want to reduce carbon and pollution, they need to have a proper look at the current model, also the amount of tat in places like Tiger-Tiger, Deals and Lidl, stuff that is literally just rubbish or a novelty...

    Pennies pays well, but most other retail jobs pay very poorly with conditions varying for horrific to good...many people in their mid 20's have had their eyes opened during Covid, and we see Hospitality struggling for staff, I wonder how long before retail starts to suffer...and I hear many people saying, sure they will work if they need the the money...

    Well with house prices climbing, I personally know of 3 people who have stopped saving for a mortgage and decided to go on a few holidays and remain living at home, can see this becoming the norm in many parts of the country...

    When the recession hits, the recovery could be very very slow, maybe we need industry to build things that actually last and offer after purchase care, unlike the current model of build it cheap, sell it high and know that it'll last 2-3 years and then there back for the newer model(Apple)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,858 ✭✭✭mumo3


    @c.p.w.g.w "Well with house prices climbing, I personally know of 3 people who have stopped saving for a mortgage and decided to go on a few holidays and remain living at home, can see this becoming the norm in many parts of the country"

    My friend just recently did the same thing, has been saving and living like a miser for a couple of years, but this year just gave up and bought herself a fabulous new 4wd, she felt there was no sign of house prices dropping and she is hoping to be a cash buyer!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    I've been thinking of doing so in the last few years but prices are way above what I'm willing to pay for them. Whether I'll be in a position to capitalise on a potential downturn, I'm not sure. I may well have spent my cash pile before then on something else I want to purchase.

    I've seen many one off houses in the countryside be left up for weeks now because material prices are so high.

    Go over to the property forum here and you'll see many say "ah price doesn't matter if you plan to live in it forever". You'd think people would be the same with material prices then....but that's not the case. Demand is going to fall for sure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,858 ✭✭✭mumo3


    My friend is the same, she doesn't even mind moving into a fixer upper and doing it up bit by bit around herself, but even those prices are going sky high.... she's just hoping the arse falls out of the house prices.



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