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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,686 ✭✭✭Rawr


    When the Germans attempted to take Sebastopol in WWII, they had to engage in a nearly year-long seige and pound the area with the heaviest artillery they could conjure before they eventually won. Winning that port isn't impossible, but it would be an extremely tough fight for them and that's assuming they can isolate Sebastopol by retaking / holding the rest of Crimea.

    Defense of Crimea is something you'd think the Russians will be able to pull off easily...although they are very talented in finding idiots to run their military...so you never know...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    He's not going to drop or fire nuclear weapons that close to his own border ,

    Putin isn't firing nuclear weapons full stop



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    Shoigu, Lavrov, Medvedev, Patrushev...just off the top of my head. The last one is probably the bookies favourite.

    I know Abramovich gets a lot of media coverage but that in no way means he is a viable successor.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 154 ✭✭whatchagonnado




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,904 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    The cheerleaders of a disastrous failed invasion being the only contenders as a successor to Putin is depressing but I don’t see it as the only possible outcome from this mess.

    Abramovich would be trusted in the west while still not a figure who has been demonized in Russia by Putin, is becoming a figure within peace talks, and has being a governor of a region in Russia. He doesn’t have military backing but not sure the names you cite will have any popular support by the time this is over. But he’s Jewish and I’m unsure if that’s a dealbreaker in modern Russia.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,815 ✭✭✭✭Grayson




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    There's a few things here to discuss:

    1. Why do you think 'Abramovich would be trusted in the West'? He's a Putin-approved murderous kleptomaniac after all. Let's not forget he was the person who recommended Putin as President to Yeltsin! So I don't buy that. He's actually the opposite - completely untrustworthy. This is the equivalent of saying Daniel Kinahan would be a viable Taoiseach because he has a big profile.
    2. The whole point of constructing a power vertical, as Putin as done, is that anyone who isn't in it is by default a nobody with no power of any kind. As you say, that is indeed depressing but it's also the reality.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,819 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    Rumours going around the Americans are ready put in Hunter Biden as president of russia once putin is out of the out the way. The move has been apparently been approved by the oligarchs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,904 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    who would be more acceptable than Abramovich to the west as leader of Russia? Personally I think he would stand out as the best option as someone who would be acceptable to the west. Calling him murderous is a bit of a stretch. He’s a kleptocrat…so what.

    your second point is true but isn’t really a reason that would stop Abramovich. It’s more a reason why Putin will never be removed which I also accept is a possibility.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 154 ✭✭whatchagonnado


    Yes and I'm sure she would serve the people of Russia very well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,590 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Abramovich would be trusted in the West

    LOL no one in that position will ever be trusted in the West, so maybe let's look for someone that can be bought by the West.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,366 ✭✭✭Field east


    Well then give the Ukr ‘control ‘ veto or whatever over the sanctions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    no more McDonalds in Russia or Renaults, extrapolate that out and Russia will soon have queues around each corner for food and all people who can afford it driving only ladas

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 269 ✭✭Perseverance The Second


    Ukraine published documents reportedly from Russia's 1st Tank Army showing its losses through March 15. It lists: 61 KIA, 209 WIA, 44 MIA, and 96 taken POW. Incredibly, the 2nd Motorized Rifle Division's 1st Tank Regiment allegedly lost 45 T-72B3M tanks.

    The 1st Tank Regiment reportedly had 93 tanks, so this would mean it lost almost half of them in the first three weeks of the war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,904 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    He’s a citizen of Portugal aswell as Israel and was a quasi resident of London for 20 or so years. In terms of other possible future leaders of Russian he would be favored by the west, perhaps over even Navalny.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    It doesn't matter 'who the West finds acceptable'. And Abramovich is as scummy s they come. You didn't get to make that amount of money in those times in Russia by observing scrupulous business ethics.

    It's not like the West finds Viktor Orban acceptable. Or PiS in Poland. Or Boris for that matter.

    The West won't get a say in who the next leader is, that's a fundamental flaw in your thinking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 917 ✭✭✭techman1


    Yes true , but that has always been the case. The fact is that China has adopted alot of technology and ideology from Russia ,very little has actually flowed the other way even though China is now the dominant economic power. But that power is still very brittle as it still depends on access to western markets and technology

    Look at all the things China has taken from Russia , communism adopted from the Russian revolution and China still clings to this.

    China would not have got the nuclear weapon in the 60s without being given the blueprints by the Russians who themselves got it from the manhatan project via a rogue German scientist.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,073 ✭✭✭JoChervil


    Ukrainian artillerymen use a special situational awareness system. Arta's GIS, as this tool is called, identifies enemy targets and indicates nearby weapons from which to attack them.





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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,904 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    Well you argued that he wouldn’t be acceptable to the west so I argued back. I take ur point on it not mattering.

    overall he likely won’t be the next leader of Russia. Saying he has no chance and it’ll definitely be one of Putin’s stooges is not the certainty you believe it is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,366 ✭✭✭Field east


    Can the sharing of the Black Sea be part of the negotiations. After all why would one nation not try to help out another nation to progress for lots people and visa versa when the occasion arises !!!!! . Is it not the neighbourly thing to do ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 269 ✭✭Perseverance The Second


    I think you will find Renault will quickly be coming back to the Russian market the sooner the conflict ends. It's an important market for Renault and for a lot of French Companies



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 269 ✭✭Perseverance The Second


    From today's Politico Paybook.

    On Sunday, JENS STOLTENBERG, NATO’s secretary general, summed up the implications of these developments: “Ukraine can win this war.”

    And that is exactly the problem according to a growing number of western officials and analysts who fear the fallout from what French President EMMANUEL MACRON called the “humiliation” of Russia.

    Macron is not alone. Matthew Karnitschnig, reports this morning:

    “After weeks spent fretting over what would happen if Russia crushed Ukraine, Western European leaders are now worried about what might happen if Ukraine actually wins. … One big concern is that a Ukrainian win could destabilize Russia, making it even more unpredictable and putting a normalization of energy links further out of reach. That’s why some western European capitals quietly favor a ‘face-saving’ resolution to the conflict, even if it costs Ukraine some territory.”

    The leaders of France, Germany and Italy are all stressing a ceasefire and peace deal at precisely the moment when Ukraine has reversed the tide.

    Karnitschnig notes that their fears of victory put them out of step with the Biden administration, which in recent weeks has talked about how Ukraine, in the words of Defense Secretary LLOYD AUSTIN, “can win.”

    In an important column over the weekend, NYT’s Ross Douthat noted that the possibility of Ukrainian advances would make nuclear escalation “much more likely”:

    “We know that Russian military doctrine envisions using tactical nuclear weapons defensively, to turn the tide in a losing war. We should assume that Putin and his circle regard total defeat in Ukraine as a regime-threatening scenario. Combine those realities with a world where the Russians are suddenly being routed, their territorial gains evaporating, and you have the most nuclear-shadowed military situation since our naval blockade of Cuba in 1962.”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,590 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Driving your Lada to a Mc-Borsch drive through is just as good if not better.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Doubt it ,as seen in the past and present Russia can't and won't be trusted ,the only real reason they took Crimea in the first place was they knew the Ukrainians would tell them to vacate the port so they could use it themselves



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,131 ✭✭✭purplepanda


    . My brother went on holiday to Uzbekistan week before last, he booked it months before the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

    Hopefully he'll be back next weekend safe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,428 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    I'm with Biden on this one. Any scenario where Putin 'doesn't' lose means he will be back for Round 2.

    I'm baffled that Macron and Scholz think that a menacing Putin on the borders of Europe still itching for a fight would somehow be a good outcome.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭ronivek


    I mean it's hardly surprising people want an end to hostilities. The longer hostilities continue the more expensive it is for everyone involved; including Ukraine. And that's ignoring the various paths Russia might pursue in terms of further escalation.

    Not only that but the same way Ukraine is prioritising its own people and future; other governments and leaders must also do the same w.r.t. their own peoples and collective futures.

    Also I'm pretty sure when people are saying Ukraine "can win" they're not necessarily saying "Ukraine will likely militarily evict all Russian forces from all Ukrainian territory"; they're saying that Ukraine is likely to be able to force a resolution to the conflict on more beneficial terms than they have been offered or could reasonably expect from Russia at the current time.



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