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National Broadband Ireland : implementation and progress

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,870 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    I haven't paid much attention to the scheme as I am not due to get it until 2025/26, but was wondering what speed they are hoping to deliver to customers?

    I see 900meg speed's are being advertised in the North at present, and is it a case of the service being severely out of date even before I get it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,187 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Theres 1gb available and now talk of 2gb. Your not going to be out of date. Nor might I add even need those level of speeds tbh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,243 ✭✭✭heavydawson


    Nope. They just run cable from your house through the ducting, up the pole and on to the nearest DP. That's exactly how my own installation went. The DP is 4 poles away from where it emerges from my ducting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,870 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    That's good to know.

    I feared waiting until 2026 then being told I'd get 50 Meg or something.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,243 ✭✭✭heavydawson


    There's a further increase in speeds currently planned for the 2nd half 2024 -> 1st half 2025 (Beyond 2gbps). See the document called "NBI Product Roadmap" here:




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,254 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    And to add, the Nokia equipment used by NBI is already 10 Gbps symmetric capable and software upgradeable to 25 Gbps in future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,606 ✭✭✭alec76


    Isn't most of their traffic goes through OpenEir backhaul which already almost up to the limits ?

    Some of the new connections of NBI failed to score 900 + Mbps over Ethernet already ( i saw good few 700-850 Mbps tests even on this thread)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,254 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    I was referring to the consumer/exchange side of the network being 10 Gbps capable.

    Regarding backhaul, someone may correct me, isn't the regional and national backhaul done through enet's MANs fibre?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,606 ✭✭✭alec76


    I would say OpenEir most of it , I was surprised myself when good few very first customers of NBI didn't hit over 900 Mbps . Surely if they had independent backhaul wouldn't be an issue.

    enet is for SIRO AFAIK



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,243 ✭✭✭heavydawson


    NBI’s partners include KN Group, Secto and Actavo. Nokia is providing all the active equipment for the project while 4Site is the network design partner. NBI is also working with infrastructure owners such as eir (pole and ducts network) and enet (MANs and Broadband Connection Points) NBI will be responsible for the management of the new national broadband network for at least the next 25 years.

    From:

    It's not clear from the above who's providing the backhaul from the regional exchanges.

    However, Dail exchanges suggest Enet would be a preferred provider of backhaul:

    Enet's envisaged role is that of key subcontractor providing services such as capacity via the MANs, co-location via MAN-enabled co-location sites and the Enet proprietary network, services in backhaul capacity, the provision of wireless access and network operations management

    From:

    And just to be pedantic, MAN != Backhaul.

    MAN = Urban fibre network

    Backhaul = Long distance links between points (usually the regional exchanges)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,254 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    The 33 regional PoH are all located in enet exchanges, they are being rolled out first, then followed by the local eir exchanges from there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,606 ✭✭✭alec76


    If you look up Pure NBI customers, you'll be able to tell.

    Seen few Pure NBI SpeedTest results here , they all marked as Eir .

    All SIRO Pure customers marked as Enet.

    Open FTTH Eir Pure SpeedTest results Eirs or BTIreland

    You see , Pure only the resale agency, they have zero infrastructure on its own. ( no gateways/DNS servers etc) Easy enough to trace backhaul then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,606 ✭✭✭alec76


    33 is it one per county? There are 2000 Eirs exchanges , if not mistaken.Eir exchanges and backhaul between them is your bottleneck then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 302 ✭✭NBAiii


    NBI are using zero openeir fibre in their network as backhaul or anything else. It is a brand new network constructed with their own fibre from end to end. Even when they eventually use openeir exchange buildings to house equipment they still will not be using eir fibre.

    This proves nothing about NBI's network. The traffic (carried on NBI fibre) is handed over to Pure in a regional or national PoH and it is up to them then what they do with it. The backhaul between eir exchanges is also irrelevant.

    Making judgements on provider's backhaul arrangements based on inherently variable Speedtest results is not very wise or scientific.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,606 ✭✭✭alec76


    NBI are using zero openeir fibre in their network as backhaul or anything else. It is a brand new network constructed with their own fibre from end to end.


    Do you believe that traffic from every exchange ( 2000 in the country) goes directly to 33 PoH bypassing OpenEir network? Is there some magic way to achieve it?

    I am OpenEir FTTH user, one of first in my area . Had 900 + Mbps speeds day or night right until NBI became available in same area . It is about 700-800 Mbps at peak time at the moment. Coincidence? Don't think so .

    And how come new NBI customers couldn't achieve 900+ Mbps speed then?

    Surely if it is brand new network from top to toe, first NBI customers shouldn't suffer from contention ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 302 ✭✭NBAiii


    NBI and openeir networks are entirely separate. The concept of eir exchanges or exchange areas has no meaning in the NBI network design. NBI have 227 deployment areas that could be compared with eir exchange areas, only much larger. Traffic from these 227 areas will travel on NBI fibre to the 33 PoH. eir fibre cabling has no part in it.

    The NBI network has not impacted on your speeds. That would be like saying SIRO or Virgin has affected your speeds. A few Speedtests here, where you can't know the conditions or equipment used doesn't prove anything.

    Perhaps look into the NBI network and you might come to some understanding of how it is built and works.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,606 ✭✭✭alec76


    wow, you can read the brochure !

    NBI have 227 deployment areas that could be compared with eir exchange areas, only much larger.

    It is really not though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,881 ✭✭✭clohamon


    Changes, good (green) and bad (orange) since March 1st . Dromore West seems to be a big winner. All data from NBI map.

    Screenshot 2022-05-11 at 14.30.16.png




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 302 ✭✭NBAiii


    I'm not sure why you are getting sarcastic. I'm trying to be helpful.

    Can you outline your theory on how the NBI network has affected you? What eir exchange are you connected to? How has your traffic and NBI traffic come to compete?

    It is really not though.

    I have no idea what you mean by this, I'm afraid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,243 ✭✭✭heavydawson


    I was a new NBI customer in my DA (Tipp). Have been getting a consistent 900+mbps since installation. Here's my post from installation date on Mar 30th:

    And here's a result from just now:




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,557 ✭✭✭wexfordman2


    Your limitation could be in your own local network, ot could be at the remote server, it could be anything, I'm not sure you will ever be happy of you expect 1gb speed test results to any random destination, which is what you are looking for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72 ✭✭clancynl


    Hi

    Quick question regarding installation / connection. When companies are advertising it as pre-order with a view to installation within 2 months after ordering ... how accurate is this timeframe? Like do I add another 6 months onto this to get through the sales pitch for realistic expectations?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,239 ✭✭✭WestWicklow1


    My experience...

    Ready to Pre-Order late December 2021.

    Ordered in January 2022. Got an install date of 7/7/22.

    Go live is April - June 2022.

    Still in Pre-Order.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 501 ✭✭✭SkepticQuark


    Seems to vary from DA to DA but in my case pre-order was December, ready to connect was mid-March and we were setup by the end of March.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,243 ✭✭✭heavydawson




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 149 ✭✭johnnyboy08


    Has anyone had any issues getting their modem/router from Digiweb? I'm due for install on Wednesday morning and I'm having difficulty with Digiweb sending out the Fritzbox. They're telling me the units are sent from Dublin once NBI get notification of a successful install but I've had a kn engineer here already who did a pre-install survey and was happy for it all to proceed on 18th.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,557 ✭✭✭wexfordman2


    My eircode went ready for pre order weeks ago, and this morning went ready to connect.


    I am looking to sign up to vodafone, but for weeks, despite vf appearing in my isp list, every time I follow the vf link to order from the nbi site, the vf site says the best it can offer me is mobile broadband!


    Very fruatrating



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,243 ✭✭✭heavydawson


    I expect that link will change in the next 24-48 hours. Some of the ISPs don't do pre-orders. Sky is one such ISP, for example. They'll only change their page once you're ready to connect. And their own systems lag behind NBI by at least a day or two. Hang in there. Check back tomorrow and the day after and you'll surely have a new NBI option.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,861 ✭✭✭Ah-Watch


    You could call the Vodafone sales line and see. 1800 805014 and see if they can see it as available.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 50 ✭✭snapper365


    Yeah I found that the website doesn't necessarily reflect what the phone agents see, so maybe give your preferred supplier a call and see if it shows up for order on their side.

    It is frustrating but you're nearly there now - and it will be worth the wait, as I said before the end product is fantastic.



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