Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

We all know what happened when they dished out €350 to even part time students in the form of Pup two years ago....lashed out as if money was like water to all, while those shop workers and essential lower paid staff were working . Most of it never recovered. The same thing is going to happen again with the payments and provisions here. Do you honestly think that someone with a healthy bank balance in Ukraine is going to declare their savings in 6 months time? Taxpayers are being screwed again, and worse still it's not even by the Irish themselves this time. Meanwhile families continue to struggle, and our young people will be paying this lavish overspending by our government until they retire.

Here's your opening Statement

They have full social welfare status so they get the same as Irish people. Irish people get €200 and no rent to pay too.”

I explained in detail the above assertion completely incorrect.

You then went on to discuss Homeless people in emergency accommodation, again I explained its not as straightforward as you seem to think. Not only is there a range of accommodation Homeless people avail of , they include shelters , Hostels and Shelters and they certainly don't get a meal plan thrown in and are subject to very strict rules which may include vacating their accommodation during daylight hours.

You appear to believe Homeless people can avail of 3 star hotel accommodation on a whim, many get accomodation vouchers, more often than not have find a premises that accepts accommodation vouchers and certainly do not get the additional supports being offered Ukrainian refugees.

And before you go off on the anti refugee stance, I'll say it for the 100th time, I welcome all and any support for Homeless people, wether they are Irish citizens or refugees as long as its done on an equal basis.

Don't pretend Irish Homeless people are being treated the same as Refugees, that's simply absurd and factually incorrect and its quite disgraceful.

And just to remind you, another Homeless person found Dead in a Tent yesterday in Dublin 2.

Who is Dav Diddles?

I agree. I listened to the show and the guy sounded very self entitled. He actually was getting an apartment in Youghal but wasn't grateful for that - he wanted a house or apartment in Dublin. Most Ukranians are not being offered apartments so this guy was very lucky but he couldnt see this. Im sure he could work in Youghal just the same as Dublin. Joe Duffy never asked him why he didnt go back to the Ukraine to fight for his country. I also dont think he was short of money.

This guy was a spoofer out to get axactly what he wants. Unfortunately people were being taken in by him.

The Ukrainian gentleman in question was well off. A psychologist from Ukraine that flew in from Miami to Dublin when the war started. He wanted to stay in Dublin because of the MA course he got for free. He offered to PAY FOR HIS AND HIS FAMILIES stay there until he found somewhere else to live in Dublin. That screams to me he is well off. Who can offer to pay for Dublin priced Travel lodge indefinitely? He also commented at the start that the Travel lodge was, well, umm, pretty basic, but it would do.🙄 His wife is a professional dance judge and said she travels all over. I think his problem was that his FREE MA was in jeopardy, nothing to do with accomadation at all.

Absolutely, it was truly bizzare and Joe Duffy along with other media personalities refusing point blank to question some of the Shenanigans going on.

Nonsense, they were your words go back and check, again the deflection we come to expect.

Right, so what might you suggest. We go down the UK route .? Or better still , we allow no Ukr refugees in apart from the ‘normal’ channels through which they come. I fully agree with you that it puts all of us - directly or indirectly -under pressure but we are where we are and me now have to manage it. There is a lot of discussion around psychological support needed But I would expect a few days in a very safe environment, with good food , dry clothes , fresh air and a kind word should significantly address this issue

They should only be brought through official channels , that way everything is managed from the time a group is selected to be brought here ,they will already have accomodation ,and support services in place for when they arrive,

Not this nonsense of ordinary Joe's driving to Poland in convoys to bring Ukrainians back here or the case involving charities flying in 100 + people / unaccompanied children at a time and yet no government agency had any prior knowledge this was happening ,it's wrong and dangerous ,

And a bit of fresh air and a few hot meals will not cure traumatic experiences especially in children ,it's a lot more complex and complicated than that ,

This whole mentality of ah sure they will be grand has to Stop ,

People think they are helping yes they are well meaning but they are causing massive problems for a system that is already Broken in most cases .

If the government and the redcross and other experienceed NGOs get to together and say right we can only house this many people ,and secure services for this Many people or children then that figure should be stook to ,

Not this notion of ministers randomly coming out and saying we can take in unlimited numbers of people and house them,get them the support services and all of the other things they will need immediate..

We don't have a infinite number of houses , support services for 100,000 + people immediately available in this country, as I keep saying we have families and children with medical and special needs crying out for supports left languishing on lists and not being able to access schools or supports but yet we can suddenly find all of those supports for Ukrainian families .

I've no need to, I quoted directly from your post, the only embarrassing aspect of this back and forth is your denial of facts and a bizzare assumption I made up what you actually posted and have been proven to be wrong.

You said your open to correction, perhaps you are infact not 🤔

It took me 3 weeks to move GPs a few months back. It's not an automatic thing.