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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,468 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    The damage that the regime is doing to its own economy is off the scale. It could take them decades to recover from this : many international companies will never return to Russia, as they will see the place as toxic and deeply dysfunctional.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,481 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Russian losses the last three days appear to be absolutely shocking. How long can they sustain this? (if reports are to be believed)

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,822 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    They could partially denuke. Get rid of half their weapons.

    And they'd still be a massive nuclear power.


    take North Korea. They have a basket case of an economy. And they've invested so much in getting nukes. Because it protects the regime. Having nukes protects you from invasion by conventional forces.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    If a scenario is created in which their economic survival depends on Western trade, all bets are off.

    Especially if the West manages to mitigate the threat of nuclear attack with next generation detection/interception technology (satellite based laser ???)



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,327 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    That's huge. Never mind that Siemens have had their own brushes with the law regarding bribery and billion quid fines and have had no issue dealing with dingbats and autocrats. Just to say they're no angels, so if they've decided this, yeah, that's huge alright. And will have major impacts on how Russia operates, or doesn't.

    It's these kinda hits, often largely ignored by people because it's dry business type stuff, that will hurt Russia in very bad ways as the weeks and months roll on. The Russians commandeering the foreign owned airliners another one. That "small" act alone showed they're petulant morons and give two fúcks for the future of their people and it meant they haven't a hope in hell getting any international leasing deals, or international insurance for the foreseeable future. To mirror what you mentioned about soviet times, they were able to get access to international leasing and insurance back then. They didn't do it often but they could do it. That's game over now.

    And back then they had their own internal largely self sufficient industries and double the population because of their Soviet bloc states and a population that was simply used to much less(like us all really back then), but a large percentage of whom have now tasted the goodies of the modern world. That's pretty much all gone now. And pretty much all they have left now is oil, gas and nuclear weapons. Europe is moving away from their gas and oil, the Asian markets don't have the pipelines and infrastructure yet and won't buy at top rates if and when Russia tries to sell to them. Sure, they'll do dodgy deals with dodgy shipping companies hailing from Panama and Greece and will be able to shift some of it, but nothing like before.

    Looking at the performance of the ruble of late oddly reminded me of that TV series Chernobyl where the first to the blaze firemen were exposed to lethal doses of radiation. Initially they felt very ill weak and throwing up all over the place and it looked bad, then because of the nature of radiation poisoning they appeared to rally and looked and sounded and felt well, but then the terrible damage came back with a horrible vengeance... IMHO we're in the ruble appears to have rallied stage.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Wishful thinking that the Soviet Union spectactularly went down the drain hole after their last genocidal military invasion of Afghanistan which saw the complete collapse of the Soviet Union?

    Wishful thinking that their armaments and military resources were decimated following that collapse?

    I think not. They're on the same trajectory atm. And they've even less hope this time of avoiding that with a lunatic with an huge ego problem at the driving wheel.

    It's only a matter of time until they spectacularly crash and burn.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,376 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    It's to phuck over the country. Take that footage of that car dealership further up the thread. The two security guards when they saw the Russian soldiers approaching changed their clothes for what looked like USSR threads. They went out to meet them, were frisked through the security gate. You can imagine the talk "Any Ukrainians here?" "Nope none" Then they probably told them they were free to go. And when the security guards turned their back to go back, they were shot in their backs dead.

    Then the orcs robbed the place.

    This is not a military force. It's a bunch of thieves, rapists, killers, cowards with a military uniform on that they expect they can get away with whatever they like.

    I saw it mentioned that Kharkiv City in the north the people speak russian and in the countryside they speak Ukrainian. The Russian language was always thought of as superior and you needed it for business acumen. The Ukrainian language basically thought of as the farmers language. Now they're saying nobody will be speaking russian in Kharkiv after what the russian army are doing. Putin always thought of Kharkiv as russian even just because the people were speaking russian. That's how silly it gets out there. Any of the children the russian authorities take they have to undergo Russification in the language and history. None of this backwards Ukrainian nonsense.

    Backwards Ukraine was getting too big for it's boots and had to be pushed back down under the russian boot. If it was annexed into greater Russia with russian people and Ukrainian women and children sent to Siberia in the East to become russian citizens. Then a1 for Putin.

    The sooner the Eastern states are retaken and Crimea back the better. Does look like the Russian military is a spent force now. The world can not sit back and say what about it there's money to be made from these poor innocent russian citizens.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    I know what he'd choose. Nukes.

    By that logic, they would have de-nuked already! As would North Korea and Pakistan.

    I love a bit of optimism but this has veered off into 'overdosed on happy pills' optimism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    So along with planning to launch military actions against Sweden and Finland for joining Nato it seems Lithuania is getting the nod to have it's recognition as a country stripped by Russia for voting to call the invasion of Ukraine as a Genocide




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Being they are well and truly lost Ukraine do they honestly think they can take on multiple countries and win ,

    I'd reckon the Swedes on their own would hammer Russian Forces before anyone else would need to get involved



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,468 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    I was reading that Russian speaking people in Kharkiv, Kherson and Mariupol were quite fond of Russia before the war and say them as close friends and brothers. But as soon saw all the destruction and numerous deliberate targeting of civilians along with atrocities, they quickly became disgusted with the regime and the word now is that most of them have an intense hatred for Putin and for Russia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Last time around Russia saved its economy by opening up to the West but especially Europe and securing huge amounts of private funding and investment.Those options are now largely gone thanks to Putler.

    Even with that much of their military resources are left overs of the Soviet era which were decimated during the collapse. And they're losing much of what they managed to retain in their latest idiotic invasion

    Either way Russia is fcuked.

    The only happy pills seem to be the ones being fed to the ordinary people of Russia and Putler supporters who still believe the bs and propaganda



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,621 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    It was never about taking all of Ukraine, they wanted the contested eastern regions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,822 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    They only need a few hundred nukes. Less even. Especially with missile subs.

    And in many ways it's not about what the russian people want. Do you think north koreans want to have the standard of living they have? they don't know any better. And there's a massive security apparatus keeping them in check. Plus russians are proud of their nuclear status. I doubt even nalvany would get rid of the nukes. Forcing them to get rid of their weapons would turn most russians against the west.

    So you end up with most russians finding an effort to remove the weapons as an attack on russia, which would double their resolve to keep them. And even without that there's a huge state apparatus keeping them in check.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,026 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    It's pretty clear they wanted the entire country to fall. Under the circumstances it looks like they will plan B, plan C settle for as much land as they can claw and hold onto.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Is that Putins Very Naughty list as opposed to just the Naughty list which includes those countries who have said nasty things about him?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    They already controlled and occupied the region for the last near 9 years ,

    Now it's likely they will lose them especially if the Ukrainians keep hammering the Russians leaving them nowhere to hide , Donbas will likely be turned into an artillery range



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Its looking like they aren't getting Christmas cards this year



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,026 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




  • Posts: 7,946 [Deleted User]


    Unlike Putin's misadventure in Ukraine Operation OUTTING RUSSOPHILES has been a big success. ^^^ and their thanks.

    However, I'm fully serious when I say modern Russia is a joke of a country and it's heading towards North Korea levels. Fukking state of them.



  • Posts: 7,946 [Deleted User]


    All empires end... for recent reference see the USSR. As for the Mighty Russian Federation led by mafia style gangsters. How? time my good ruskie, time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,822 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Loom at the treaty of Versailles. The german military was destroyed. down to 100k men. And see what happened? The country took it as a point of humiliation.

    See what happened after communism fell? Russia was falling apart. People felt like outside forces were destroying the country. Many people began to look back fondly at the USSR. Along came Putin to make Russia feel strong again.

    If Russia was to be so hobbled that it had to get rid of their nukes, how do you think they'd feel? Do you think they'd care one whit about the west. Your opinion is that they would blame Putin. But in a country with no free press and a massive security apparatus, that's hard. People in the soviet republics like Estonia rose up against the USSR but the Russians never did. And it was an internal coup that got rid of Gorbachev. Not the people. And he was a moderate reformer, not an autocrat like Putin.

    If push came to shove, Putin will do anything to stay in power. That includes using nukes. That includes turning the army on his own people.

    And his own people do have a lot of pride in Russia. they won't want to see it humbled and beaten.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,449 ✭✭✭nigeldaniel


    What is going on in Putin's mind is very much mindset psychology. If one goes back to WW2 Stalin and Communism and onward to Fascism both Russia and China are very similar. Leadership in Russia in WW2 did not give a fig for the death rate within the Russian army or civilian life. Stalin just kept sending men forwards no matter how many died. Likewise, China in a similar mode did so later in support of the Korean and Vietnam wars. No matter how many died they would send more. Putin would not blink an eye if Russia lost 100,000 in the Ukraine invasion over 12 months. He would send 100,000 more. Against that mindset what can be done? What is best for Russia now is for all political prisoners [there are plenty in jail] to be released and for a proper democratic election to take place. Breaking up Russia or dividing it up like what happened to Germany after WW2 might be a foreseeable prospect. The problem is... what to do with all those missiles! If Putin is not removed from Russia along with his band of Orcs, he will keep sending in the cannon fodder. One possible situation to develop would be for commando runs on Gas and Oil facilities in Russia on a big scale to put an end to Russia's ability to sell gas and oil.

    Dan.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,327 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Love one of the descriptions in the pic [Clusterfuck AKA No great, not terrible] 😁

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



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  • Posts: 2,015 [Deleted User]


    They still use the old soviet doctrine,send in everyone at once to the meatgrinder and hope to overwhelm the enemy



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