Covid vaccines - thread banned users in First Post

According to you: boosters are unnecessary. Okay. Governments and health professionals all over world are recommending them, what do you know that they don't know?

Likewise, what is the conspiracy here?

I'm not able to answer that question as I simply don't know due to a lack of data, They said NO saftey concerns, mentioned some people got a headache. My point was the data was wrong and some of it known to be falsified why should we then disregard governemt reporting systems which track both mild and serious side effets. There's currently 301 fatal outcomes in the Euro database for Pfizer alone with another 5,000 odd cases unresolved, with the bulk of the cases in women under 65.

Are you making the claim none of them could be vaccine related, as it appears you are. Anyone that says one could be related it a conspiracy therorist, correct?

But the data isn't wrong and you are claiming that the data was falsified based of another misrepresentation of yours.

Nor am I claiming that none of the side effects in the databases are caused by the vaccines. That again is a misrepresentation. It's constant with you.

I just want to get this straight: You're claiming that the 301 cases of death and 5000 unresolved cases and all of the reported side effects were all caused by the vaccine.

Is this correct?

If this is not correct, please outline in clear terms what you believe the EudraVigilance data shows.

If everyone who drank a can of coke in the last month had to report any side effects within 30 days we would get millions of reports of injuries and deaths, you understand this right?

The open reporting databases exist so that experts can see any trends and patterns that emerge. These are experts who can interpret the data properly.

The problem with these open databases is that anti-vaxxers (often deliberately) mis-interpret the information.

In the US the data is VAERS, UK its Yellow Card and Europe it's ADRreports.

There are hundreds of explainers of this online. It's shocking to see this being repeated two years into the pandemic.

Ok so you agree with me great, I wasn't making the claim they are all caued by the Pfizer vaccine. The data shows side effects reported after the vaccine, they may or may not have been caused by it. We just don't know, the data isn't great and doesn't really show us anything concrete to make a definitive call either way.

The 95% or even 100% claims of no infection in south africa from Pfizer were premature as they turned out to be incorrect, would you agree? I'm not asking why that was the case as we differ in opinion there.

Now back to your evidence for boosing people with previous infection or vaccine against a mild disease, where is your evidence it's a good thing?

Every "I'm just concerned about vaccines" type in this thread:

"But X pharma company said Y vaccine was COMPLETELY safe" - No, no they didn't.

"But they told us vaccines were 100% safe" - No. Vaccines are safe, but not 100% safe. Those aren't mutually exclusive statements.

"But all the deaths and injuries on the databases" - Hundreds of millions of people were just vaccinated, multiple times. Considering over 100,000 people die of various causes every month in Europe, and the database collects raw information on injuries and deaths up to 30 days from taking the vaccine - you do the math. These figures are for experts to data-mine, not for lay-people.

"But Big PhaRmA made large profits" - Yes. And mask making companies also made big profits. Like anyone I'm not a fan of large corporations, but they sometimes come in handy when we need a lot of a certain thing, fast. Like in a pandemic.

"People shouldn't take the vaccines/boosters" - Thanks, I'll take my medical advice from professionals, not internet people on conspiracy theory forums

"Covid is not that serious, so much hype" - Millions have died as a result of it and at stages it brought national health systems close to collapse. Nonchalant about that, but hysterical over a tiny number of vaccine issues.

Have I missed anything?

That's what I said, the data can not be used to make a claim, that works both ways. I didn't misrepresent the CDC not FDA lady there you are misrepresentating again, taking words and twisting them to make something appear false when it's not. She said, vaccinated people don't carry the virus, trasmit the virus or get sick, that was a crock of ****, maybe slow it down this time so you don't mistake the claim she made on the back of the trail data.

Did you actually listen to that clip - in the study that was quoted some vaccinated people did indeed get the virus .... and there have been variants etc since then. So once again you are making crap up and even when you present your 'evidence' you haven't even listened or read it.

You may transcribe it word for word. As we're hearing two different things.

The nub of it is the trail data from Pfizer showed vaccines don't transmit the virus, that was bullshoite of the highest order.

The science then changed to very rare breakthrough cases (vaccine failure) to where we are now, complete failure against transmission and disease.

We're in a position now where the disease is mild and infection via Omicron shows 100% protection against death.

Lol. No mate, you made the claim. You tried to transcribe it already and then you added in things she didn't say.

You claim she said: "vaccinated people don't carry the virus, trasmit the virus or get sick."

Why did you add "transmit the virus" when that's not what she said?

We're not hearing different things. You're misrepresenting things because you're desperate for a point.

Also, no man, that's not what the Pfizer trail data showed or claimed. You lied about that too.

And no,  "Omicron shows 100% protection against death" is a lie too.

Constant, unabashed dishonesty at every single point with you.

It's ridiculous.

Cant believe any of what you said, completely falsified. She did say it only you won't admit it.

Transcribe it, you won't though as your too lazy, just like you are with producing the data I originally asked for to support your claims.

New England Journal of Medicine is now fake news if you don't believe an Omicron infection prevents death just as good as the vaccine.

It's all a conspiracy.

CDC, BMJ, Lancet, MSM, Newstalk, Irish Times, New England journal of medicine have all been dismissed as misleading so far.

King Mob was asked to back up his feelings but couldn't be bothered. He could have easily put things to bed.

I'll stick by my claim that profit is now the main motivation behind booster campaigns faced with Omicron.

I'm not barred from the Vaccine or booster thread and I'm barred by choice from the mask one as I'd completely lose it with the headbangers in there if I went back in. My last infraction was for informing someone about a science based non prescription method for helping kill an upper respiratory virus which worked for previous SARS infections.

You are re-producing very specific anti-vax propaganda we've seen here before. That's not a coincidence and it's not an accident.

Not only that, but you are fighting tooth and nail over every inch of it. You aren't fooling anyone.

You have an interpretation of X which is incorrect. Okay. However when it's explained to you, the context given to you, and fact checks are linked to you - you ignore and cling to that faulty interpretation. Right. You systematically repeat this process, so your agenda is crystal clear.

What's the conspiracy? You can't explain it

What do you know that medical science doesn't? You can't answer

One by one you simply rehash well known anti-vax points, VAERS/Adrreports, selective out of context quotes from experts, etc. Stuff a 5 second fact check can explain.

Now excuse me whilst I go to a conspiracy forum because I want to know more about vaccines.