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New job/career at 57 - ideas?

  • 10-05-2022 1:10pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 41 carlandlenny


    Hi, currently I have a small one man business in the IT area, been at it for over 20 years, after a career in IT before that, so IT all my life.

    Since covid started, my sales fell off the cliff and have never come back, been really struggling since then, to the point now that I've run out of money now and can manage maybe one more pay day at the end of this month, then I'm done. Office rent paid till end June, no debts in business, tax affairs all in order. Just basically zero in the bank and no new significent work has come in in the last 2 years.

    I know you may say/think, being in IT I should be busy, and I agree, but I'm not. TBH the crash of 2008 just killed me, I just don't have the mental will or energy to basically stary from scratch again, cold knocking on doors for business, plus the fact I hate IT now anyway.

    I have been spending the time trying to come up with a new business idea, but all fell flat for various reasons. So, I seem to be faced with the only option of looking for a job. From what I can gather, it seems to be a good time to do that.

    IT is out, because A) I hate it, and B) I've been doing my own thing, my own ways, for 20+ years now, so not up to speed with the latest stuff. I just would not be able to hack it in another environment.

    So, what else is there for me at my age? Degree educated, reasonably smart, experience at running a business (clearly not very well the last 10 years, but did have a good run at the start).

    Ideally looking for part time, even more ideally WFH. Reason is, as mentioned I have been working on other business ideas, and in the middle of one that looks good, but have just run out of money. So would like to have time for that and keep office on as it's not too expensive.

    Live in Dublin if that matters.

    TIA.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,084 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Homecare.

    Do yourself a fetac level 5 ( some agencies or nursing homes will even pay the fees for ya).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,408 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    Abysmal wages, brutal hours. Work that is gruelling physically and mentally and will leave OP utterly drained. Would only recommend this route for a much younger person looking to eventually enter one of the health care professions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 542 ✭✭✭Etc


    Project management jumps out at me, you would have managed many projects over the years and PMs are always in demand across multiple industries. Plenty of contract positions as well for part time work. The institute of project management run diploma courses in Dublin if you want a cert. It's a great course.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,371 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    Hating IT is a sweeping statement although I do empathise a lot. 😁😁😁 What about QA or documentation or planning or project management in a not too stressful employment. Would keep you going for another few years. Basically, no longer working for yourself or worrying about the business.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Do you have Linkedin? If not, do up your Linkedin to include all of your relevant experience and I am certain you will have recruiters onto you by the dozen offering roles. You may be able to move into something else that's not exactly IT but your skills may be transferrable too.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 41 carlandlenny


    Blimey, never thought of that! Is this the one you mean?

    EDIT - can't post links. Is it Certified Project Management Diploma on the IPM site?

    What are the employment opportunities like straight off the course? I have no formal experience, apart from what you say, in my own work.



  • Registered Users Posts: 41 carlandlenny


    I do have Linkedin, but hardly ever use it. However, I have myself listed as MD of My Company Name - as I have never received job offers I assume recruiters assume I am not looking. If I say I am looking, some of my clients will see that.



  • Posts: 0 Monica Shy Arch


    IT skills are transferable to virtually everything, in fact they are almost a basic necessity for everything one might undertake now. Are you tired of the relative social isolation that might be part of IT? Do you want a job that involves more interfacing with clients? Are you creative? Do you want to create and produce a product or a service? Would you like to work with animals, as in pet minding? Would you think of creating a service where there is a certain gap in the market? I could think of one, a complete funeral organiser. Not an undertaker, but somebody who sources an undertaker that is suited to modern funeral needs, sources a venue for attendees to have lunch /refreshments / house catering. There would be pretty much guaranteed customers, don’t know about profitability. Or are you good with your hands, eg making/repairing items?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,648 ✭✭✭✭fits


    There are some pm courses available to do with no charge through fetchcourses.ie . Accredited.



  • Registered Users Posts: 41 carlandlenny


    I should have clarified what I currently do, it's software development. So a bit more than knowing Office :) I don't want to do that again, but do don't mind using a computer as part of a non IT job, if that makes sense.

    I don't care either way re people or not. Thanks for your idea re funerals, bit like a wedding planner eh? Nore sure if I could be dealing with people that just lost a loved one though...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 542 ✭✭✭Etc


    Yes, that’s the one, it’s very well recognised and you are PMI certified as a result of completion. It will open a lot of doors but I’d suggest looking at PM roles without the formal training too as a lot of roles specify formal training as a nice to have, it’s more important the more senior you get.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 542 ✭✭✭Etc


    And fits makes a great point about fetchcourses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,084 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    At age 57? Not f*ecking likely. If the OP has in-demand development skills, then s/he may get contracts in that area. But good luck with fitting that around part-time etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 542 ✭✭✭Etc


    Rubbish, there’s plenty of jobs out there and employers are being increasingly flexible, especially where a candidate can show general skills and experience, which based on his original post he does. There are lots of companies where job sharing is increasing and people are looking for reduced hours.

    I’m not sure where you’re working but you’re not in touch with the current job market.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,966 ✭✭✭Andrea B.


    Some thoughts come to mind;

    1. Change your job title on LinkedIn to " seeking new opportunities ". Post your pic.

    2. Never underestimate smart employers to see the value in the soft-skills of somebody who sustained self-employment.

    Business awareness.

    Customer oriented.

    Self starter.

    Systematic approach.

    3. On the PM front, imo, I believe the benefit of seeing a true effective PM in action in terms of tools and methods is needed to compliment training.

    4. Visit the boards Entrepreneurial forum and browse the historical posts. You never know what angle/idea jumps out at you.

    5. Be it self-employed that you are thinking, in these uncertain times and your age, be very cautious of anything that requires capital.

    6. Don't rule out roles that may get you in door to a company, such as customer service, administration, technical support etc. that will allow your competencies and skills from having been self employed (see 3 above) to shine through and show your worth, possibly leading to even more responsible roles.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,597 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    I know there are going to be the posters with "it's never too late" spiel but at 57, to be honest it is too late. Major investment in a new qualification is unlikely to pay for itself in the 10 or so working years you have.

    While you haven't said what you had been paying yourself, changing career always puts you at the foot of the ladder and wages are likely to be a lot lower than you're used to.

    If I were you, if there were short courses that will make your development skills more current, that's what I'd do. Software development is in huge demand in Dublin and you could command a very decent wage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,084 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Are you over 50?

    Because I am, and I have recent experience job hunting while over 50.

    Having been self employed is another barrier, because you will be seen as difficult to manage. Especially if you admit that you hate IT and can't be ar$Ed seeking new business anymore.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 542 ✭✭✭Etc


    Yes, I am actually, and that’s your experience. Self employment isn’t a barrier if you can show transferable skill’s and while the poster admits he doesn’t like IT now, he also quoted that business dried up during the pandemic which is a very legitimate reason to give in a job interview. I have numerous friends and colleagues who have changed career, job and outlook in their 50’s and I know most companies in my sector will happily take on staff over 50. I was 49 when I joined.

    just because your recent experience didn’t pan out doesn’t mean you should be belittle the poster and their efforts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,966 ✭✭✭Andrea B.


    +1, and hopes this gives the OP some more realistic hope and motivation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,966 ✭✭✭Andrea B.


    You won't be difficult to manage or be seen as difficult to manage if you abide by the most basic of fundamentals.

    Directly or indirectly, ensure you make your manager's job easier than it was before you were hired. Everything else feeds into that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 365 ✭✭Gerard93


    Hi OP

    Jobs expo in Cork this Sat might be of interest

    I know u said u Dublin based still maybe worth a trip chat to recruiters etc get CV reviewed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,084 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Some of ye really need to work on reading comprehension.

    The OP said:

    IT is out, because A) I hate it, and B) I've been doing my own thing, my own ways, for 20+ years now, so not up to speed with the latest stuff. I just would not be able to hack it in another environment.

    Unless he's a Cobol programmer who can pick up remote work from London etc then ITs not the way to go.

    And with 20 years one-man-band experience, I don't see him as a credible project manager in a large environment either.



  • Registered Users Posts: 41 carlandlenny


    Thanks for all the replies, more than I expected. Re the post above, 20 years as a one man, is that a valid point?

    On the FETCH site, "PRINCE (2)" is mentioned a lot in PM search results, what is that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 648 ✭✭✭Sonic the Shaghog


    As someone that did homecare stay away, at least from the agency stuff as a man, you can only go to make patients and straight away that's your available hours down. You'll spend most on fuel driving client to client.

    If needs be work in a nursing home etc to keep you going a while but you'd have more heath mentally and physically working in a shop and actually not spend your wage on fuel



  • Registered Users Posts: 18 Listendernow


    If you speak another language you could always tutor people online through a service like italki. The pay will suck compared to IT or anything software, but it depends on how well you can speak the language. You could tutor English for very cheap for example, but if you don't speak another language you would not get many people to talk to. Worth considering if you like talking to people, but if you don't speak a foreign language... yeah just forget I said anything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 542 ✭✭✭Etc


    You're not taking him on so you're opinion of his suitability as a project manager isn't valid. Project management doesn't have to be in a large environment either. Given you're not having much luck getting a job yourself I don't think your in the best position to be determining someone else's suitability for a position.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,830 ✭✭✭Patsy167


    Would you consider teaching OP? I have done a few evening hobby courses and most of the teachers were entrepreneurs.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,423 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    IT geeks are usually not great people people....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,966 ✭✭✭Andrea B.


    Yes, do elderly care.

    Specialise in palliative /coma, so that your not being a people person doesn't really matter.

    All solved now.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 142 ✭✭seablue


    Prince2 in project management framework. You can get trained up fairly quickly. Lots of places running online or inperson training. Here's one place in Dublin




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 194 ✭✭xeresod


    I've seen Local Enterprise Offices regularly looking for staff to provide, training, mentoring and support to new small business, with your background it sounds ideal and would give you the security of reasonably well paid job using your skills and knowledge - seems a much better fit than home /elder care!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 716 ✭✭✭macvin


    A lot of younger people giving advice.


    57 is simply too old for employment agencies and companies as you have one eye on retirement. Hopefully the mortgage is paid off.

    I'm not too far off that age. Thankfully I've a strong business but know there's not a chance of employment if it closed.

    But I've an eye on retirement from the business but hopefully will still be busy.


    I've created a customer service training program for the hospitality and retail industry and plan to deliver that in conjunction with a certified health and safety instructor. We do a couple of gigs at present and the market is huge - from Ty school classes to international retailers. For a group of 15 we charge €500. His standalone health and safety training is €350.

    The other area I'm planning to get into is master of ceremonies. Again easy money (not overly lucrative) but very enjoyable.

    €200-€300 for a standard wedding/dinner event, up to €500 for corporate days. You need to learn the ropes, but that's easy with something like Toastmasters which in itself is a superb networking system. Plenty of tech companies with events - knowledge of tech can be a clincher to be MC.


    So forget employment with anyone, you'll absolutely hate it and unlikely to get anywhere anyway. Look for opportunities to contract out your knowledge in a different format and enjoy yourself



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,172 ✭✭✭screamer


    Hmm… it’s very hard to change direction at any age. If you want something else what? What sort of money do you need? What sort of work interests you? These are more for your own thought process. There are lots of roles in hospitality, could train up as a barman quick enough but again friends what you want. You could get some temping jobs IT related short term month at a time etc so you can work to suit yourself.



  • Registered Users Posts: 41 carlandlenny


    Thanks again for your replies. I would not be into homecare or anything of the sort unfortunately. Someone else suggested using a second language, good idea but I don't have one, can just about say my name, and ask to go to the toilet, in Irish :)

    Re the LEO mentoring etc, I'm not sure if I could do that in good conscience, considering I'd be doing that because my business failed.

    A job fair in Cork was suggested, I can't make that but good idea, will look out for other ones.

    Thanks for the info on PRINCE2.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,830 ✭✭✭Patsy167


    Surely the business failure would make you more qualified than most to speak on the perils of entrepreneurship to budding entrepreneurs. You'd be able to give them a balanced view.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,084 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    I'd be pretty sure that the LEO want business mentors who can help people to both succeed and to grow beyond being a solo-prenur.


    OP maybe post on the entrepreneurship and business management forum, the folks there may have some suggestions.

    What shape is your body in, could you work in a job where you had to stand all day? (I couldn't).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,084 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    OP - another thought for you: a public sector job.

    It doesn't fit with your need to get a job by June, because recruitment is based on panels and takes months. But it may be worth throwing your name in, in case you discover that whatever you can get quickly is horrible. The good thing is that they are one of the few employers who actually won't discriminate based on your age or business history.

    There's an Executive Office campaign has just opened up - you can find details here: https://www.publicjobs.ie/en/index.php?option=com_jobsearch&view=jobdetails&Itemid=263&cid=157401&campaignId=22150705


    (Not part time, won't allow you to keep your office. But very safe, and something you could do until retirement age.)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,809 ✭✭✭✭Strumms



    a friend of mine did homecare and despite being at the time 26/27 she was on about 11 euro an hour. This is 3-4 years ago… a highly competitive industry, around or just above minimum wage… few job prospects as she realised as the only progression is to management…and those jobs are like hens teeth…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,421 ✭✭✭✭Rikand


    Came in with the same intention of suggesting civil service and that EO campaign. Appointments off that campaign should happen quite quickly for dublin based applicants too.


    Also on the civil service note, civil service IT is often quite different to private sector IT. https://publicjobs.ie/en/job-search?category=19&county=&searchphrase=


    thats a search for IT roles on public jobs. There's a number of project management and software roles you could throw yourself in for in civil/public service enterprises. Your wealth of experience should be seen as a boon in those competitions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,209 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    Become a bus driver with Dublin Bus or Bus Eireann very secure job decent pay not huge but still decent and a pension. Know a good a few in it who changed career to do it. Dublin Bus will give you full training to get the licence without having to put your hand in your pocket.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,601 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    PMP and Prince2 are the most recognised PM certifications out there at the moment.

    Prince2 certification (Foundation 1 hour + Practitioner 2.5 hour exams) is relatively easy to get although you may need to pay for a recognised course.

    PMP takes a bit more study but is also very doable. You will also need to do a course for the application (40 hours study required I think). A course on Udemy should suffice.

    I would also throw in an Agile certification which are also straightforward.

    Project management needs 3 things: Organised, Communications + Common Sense (most important). It's not rocket science and many companies already do it very badly. There are some really bad project managers out there making a great living.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,601 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    The IT market is so hot right now that I am seeing 60/61 year olds picking up new jobs. It's impossible to attract top talent and experience is key especially for companies setting up or trying to grow in Ireland.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 886 ✭✭✭bb12


    Or consider IT business analyst...you basically become the middleman between the business and IT. I got burnt out from software development after 20 years and went into this area. Now I get to spend companies money and push all the stress of development onto 3rd parties. and you actually get good job satisfaction from helping people in the business and streamlining processes...it's also a lot less paperwork than project management and you get to see results fast. I'm definitely a lot less stressed now than my software development days and I earn a lot more money.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,427 ✭✭✭dublin49


    With IT skills and business acumen ,if you have people skills you might suit an office manager role in a logistics or food Supply company.Smaller companies would be thrilled with the IT aspect as they normally cant afford a designated IT guy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 41 carlandlenny


    Thanks, but back in '15 I think,, at the behest of my ex, I entered the EO drive at the time, and despite my utter lack of interest, I got the job but turned it down, as I had got busy in business again. I'm sure it's on record I declined the offer. Re your other question, yes I can stand!



  • Registered Users Posts: 41 carlandlenny


    @Cluedo Monopoly thanks for the additional; info and encouragement.

    @bb12 Thanks, I will give it some thought - is that a very technical role, or is it similar to what we called systems analysis back in my college daye?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,084 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    It doesn't matter that you declined an offer then. They won't hold it against you ( unless you accepted and just no-showed!)



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