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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,527 ✭✭✭fun loving criminal


    Monkeypox, similar to smallpox have been found in the UK. Just what we need. They done a rubbish job at any containment with covid, and now there is a virus similar to smallpox. And this is nothing to laugh about either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,042 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    In Korea at the mo. They lifted the requirement to wear masks outdoors this week - at a guesstimate, slightly over half are still doing so. Masks still required indoors (not eateries) and on transport etc. Significantly older population hereabouts though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 162 ✭✭Whatdoesitmatter


    There have been outbreaks before and they petered out very quickly.

    Relax and breathe



  • Posts: 183 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


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  • Posts: 543 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Monkeypox pops up from time to time. There have been cases in the UK over the years.

    It's related to smallpox but it's not well adapted to humans doesnt transmit easily.

    It's really not a concern.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,467 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Haha , this is funny Fintan !

    He was a clown called McDonkey all through this by so many here ..now he continues to talk rubbish , and on Pat Kenny , no less 😁..but no , hark he has found the holy Word of the Truth!

    And all is good now with Fintan and his followers and Dr McConkey.

    Careful now ...next thing you'll be listening to Clare Byrne and commending her journalistic skills .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78 ✭✭live4tkd


    I am sorry Goldengirl, I genuinely like your posts but not so much this one. These people have done untold damage in this country! The Covid response in this country was so cultish, so myopic and one sided cheer led by this clowns. One of them wanted to move Christmas to June, put granddad by the window wide open, don`t pass the gravy boat and other such silly nonsense. That clown Kenny wanted to mask 2 year olds!

    This was among so much other nonsense he, Ryan and others came out, all unquestioned and worse still given continuous platforms to air such nonsense and no opportunity for opposing or challenging voices.

    Now it is turning out that the basics of immunology i.e. airborne virus is coming to pass despite the abuse some got here for daring to suggest such a thing!

    I am sorry but the likes of McConkey, Ryan, Byrne, Kenny and their ilk have the sh*t frightened out of a certain cohort of people in this country (I am witnessing this constantly and it angers me) and it is unforgiveable to me no matter what backtracking they do, it is unforgiveable! I hope we never allow such b*llshit and nonsense ever to be tolerated again but I am afraid we probably will.

    Yes Covid was absolutely a problem that needed dealing with, and a nasty enough virus (just recovering from it now myself) but it did not warrant the cultish manner Ireland dealt with it i.e. the abuse and division because some were unvaccinated and again cheer led by these media clowns. I`m sorry but f*ck no and never again! I will have always despised and will always despise the religious like reaction and fanaticism to Covid in this country. The true cost we will not know for years.

    This is going to be with us along time by the looks of it, thankfully we have vaccines, no doubt treatments will be much better over time but we cannot allow such a hysterical, myopic one sided response to something like this ever again unless it is something like Ebola or other such virus.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,163 ✭✭✭dominatinMC


    I honestly don't know what you're trying to say here GG. If you're trying to defend Sam McConkey, spare us, as this was the man who initially claimed there would be in excess of 200k deaths from Covid. For an infectious disease "expert", this is truly astounding, and how he has any credibility left is beyond me. In my line of work (engineering), if I was out by a magnitude of 3, I would be fired. Why isn't he questioned over this figure he bandied about with aplomb? But no, he is still wheeled out as some kind of sage. Pathetic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,435 ✭✭✭Allinall


    Not sure why this needs to be repeated.

    McConkey did not claim there would be in excess of 200,000 deaths.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,217 ✭✭✭Spudman_20000


    Yeah folks, he only said 80-120k deaths, give the guy a break:

    Same lad who said men should have a license to socialise:

    Absolute buffoon.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,435 ✭✭✭Allinall




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,042 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    That was the 8th of March 2020... Where, working off a death rate of 2-3%, and reckoning that 4million of the population would get it, he did indeed come up with 80-120k deaths by multiplication... Not any insanely complicated calculations.

    Was 2-3% an overestimate? Yes, thankfully. But that was the number based on the data at the time. Was 4million an overestimate? Probably not in the end.

    Of course, some boardsies scoffed then and scoffed now, (a) with the benefit of hindsight, and (b) in the happy position that their speculation didn't matter to anyone and they had the luxury of not being responsible for any decision-making regarding anyone's well-being.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,217 ✭✭✭Spudman_20000


    And what about the doom mongers and their outrageous predictions on cases and deaths, the affect that had on government policies and subsequently the impact on people's mental health, livelihoods and children's education? People are so focused on deaths with/from Covid, they've forgotten all other impacts from the last 2 years of Covid policies (not the disease itself).



  • Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Based on the data at the time, which was based on only testing people in hospital? Sorry, it was a nonsense figure then and its a nonsense figure now. If he estimated 20 deaths he would be hammered for it, overestimating impacted behaviour and policies too, so he should be hammered for that also.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,163 ✭✭✭dominatinMC


    "based on the data at the time"...there is the crux of the issue in a nutshell. Any academic, or scientist, worth their salt would never carry-out a calculation based on such dynamic data. And if they did, they wouldn't announce it so publicly. Defend him all you like but McConkey was, and still is, a charlatan in my opinion. If I recall correctly, he made similar outlandish statements when the original SARS (or maybe it was MERS) virus was in the public eye.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 568 ✭✭✭72sheep


    Noticeable how the Covid hard-liners have largely deserted this thread. Just because the blanket media coverage is over these cold-hearted fans of "great science" seem no longer care at all about granny (#wherethehellarethosehepafilters #longcovidisdeadly #keepgrandadbyanopenwindow). That rent-a-crowd-for-free mob have moved over to the other rings of the media circus: Ukraine (#yellowblueflag yay!), climate change (#saveallthepolarbears so cute!), or other... Makes the heart swell with pride ;-)



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    A truly bizarre post. Maybe they’ve ‘deserted the thread’ because life is back to normal and instead of being locked in their houses they’re out living their lives instead of continuing to argue with their computer screen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,037 ✭✭✭growleaves


    They're busy playing host/hostess to unvaccinated strangers staying in their spare rooms and holiday homes. #zelenskiyy



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,042 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    A rapidly evolving situation with answers being demanded by the public and by the need to inform policy? Where, pray tell, would you have drawn your numbers from, as an academic or scientist?

    (Absolutely not a fan of the man, but posters are making it sound like the figures he provided were wildly outlandish.)



  • Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Because the figures he provided were quite clearly wildy outlandish...is it that difficult to understand? He predicted over 10 times the deaths we have had (which is a questionable figure it itself). He was wrong by an incredible magnitude, you don't need to defend it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,163 ✭✭✭dominatinMC


    "demanded by the public" - don't include me in that generalisation as I certainly never wanted to hear his doom-mongering message, and I would confidently bet that I'm not the only one. In fact, I would go so far as to say, the vast majority of the public could have done without his overly zealous bombast, and certainly didn't "demand" it I'd imagine.

    As for informing policy, isn't that the job of public health experts, and NPHET - which McConkey isn't/wasn't a member of. I agree there was a need for figures, calculations, and modelling, but I take issue with the over-the-top, wildly inaccurate, worst-case-scenario approach of McConkey and his relish in delivering that message in the public sphere. What, pray tell, say you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,042 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    So what figures/modelling/calculations would you have done?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,042 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Absolutely he was very wrong, thankfully. And we can say that with confidence over two years later. The calculations you did at the time were obviously better - what did you base yours on?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,163 ✭✭✭dominatinMC


    Wow, nice retort. I'm not an infectious disease expert, but if I was I would be ashamed of myself for throwing about the figures McConkey did with such abandon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,042 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    You're not?! :o I thought everyone on this thread was an infectious disease expert?? Given how obviously incorrect people claimed to find McConkey's calculations which at least had some grounding in some sort of data...

    "And how have you arrived at your results, Dr. Boardsie?"

    "Why, I leapt into my Delorean, lubed up with optimism and freedom from responsibility, and plucked them from the deepest recesses of my colon. It's a foolproof technique - either we'll be lucky, or my results will be completely forgotten about by everyone."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,119 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    ‘Could’ being the operative word. So he was correct.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,163 ✭✭✭dominatinMC


    A better attempt than your last response, I'll give you that. But, then again, you know what they say about sarcasm.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,521 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    This, in a dynamic situation with lots of unknowns you assume the worst case until more data becomes available, you then work on getting better data. It is literally crisis management 101. The CFR was high for a virus until the vaccine rollout occurred, it was not 2-3% but could have been 1% with inaction. The US has hit 0.3% even with a fast vaccine rollout.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Some serious zero covid zealouts f***kwits on Twitter. Awful abuse some people get from these diseased maniacs:





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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,466 ✭✭✭landofthetree




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