Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

Which makes no reference to the directive that was just triggered for the first time. 😦

EU asylum law in principle applies to all Member States, except for the UK, Ireland and Denmark, which had an opt out from the Directive. The UK chose to opt in – although obviously this is now moot in light of Brexit. Ireland initially opted out, then opted in to the Directive in 2003. Denmark remains outside the scope of the Directive, but can choose to adopt its own rules on temporary protection if it wishes.

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A32003D0690

Ireland opted-in to the Temporary Protection Directive in 2003. It is currently provided for in section 60 of the International Protection Act 2015.

Link to the act above on our statue books.

About the question around gaining full citizenship. I believe a person has to be resident in Ireland for 5 years, wether they be on a work, residency visa etc.

If Ukrainian refugees get an extension from the initial 12 months to 3 years, I would assume during that entire time they maintain refugee status, in essence am I correct in assuming those 3 years would NOT infact count towards the 5 year residence requirements to apply for full citizenship 🤔

It would strike me as odd if those three years of refugee status would count towards an application for full irish citizenship 🤔

have you any idea how hard a project is to set up not mind something of this scale.

You are actually right, refugees who have applied for and been granted international protection status can apply after 3 years if they meet certain criteria and it's signed off on by the Minister for Justice.

But International protection and temporary protection cannot run concurrently.

The Member States may provide that temporary protection may not be enjoyed concurrently with the status of asylum seeker while applications are under consideration

Nothing stopping a Ukrainian applying for International Protection but they would immediately lose their temporary protection and all the benefits of it.

TBF I think everyone on here has acknowledged the scale of the project, but even ministers are coming out now saying it's too slow.

700 placements in 3 months is an epic failure whatever way you look at it.

I totally get you emotionally it must be hard and you are offering to help people in need and that's really generous but in real terms the sentence below is not grounded in reality

a task force with experience? we have no experience of this scale bar a trickle of people over the years . the state rightly (cos it wastes money) have spare bodies hanging about waiting on the day some imperial force invades another country.

But i'm not lashing you cos you're trying to do a wonderful thing and I hope it works .

I wouldn't base it on education alone as it is pretty meaningless, a means to an end. The most important thing is what you do with the education, the paper itself has no value in my opinion. It would be related to ability to earn. So, if a private company is willing to pay someone 120k, they are contributing a fair amount of tax and have proven that their "education" has value.

The size of Beastys house might be a problem ? My pledge of six months might be a problem ? Jeez what is your problem you seem to think nothing is good enough for refugees fleeing a war

I bet if I asked the vast majority would jump at the chance of Beasty very generous and ideal offer and would be thrilled to cook for themselves .

You can see this in real time if you go on somewhere like Twitter and follow any of the egotists you come across that have PHD in their name or bio. It's a tainted sample admittedly, as only the narcissistic PHD holders will do so, but I guarantee you, you will see a feed full of some of the most idiotic takes you'll find.

Many on a certain side of the political isle still naively equate "education" with general intelligence, when a best, like you've stated, being "educated" means repeating stuff from a text book and not actually doing a whole lot of independent thinking. Of course discipline and memory are related to certain types of intelligence, but they only cover a small part of the spectrum.