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F1-2022 Round 5: Miami

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,164 ✭✭✭Hijpo


    He was breaking the written rules, it targeted him because it applied to him.

    Where's your evidence of a racially motivated rule that was probably in place before Hamilton played with dinkies.

    Post edited by Hijpo on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,132 ✭✭✭This is it


    Sainz needs to get his act together



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,605 ✭✭✭McFly85


    Unless he gets his driving ability from an enchanted nosering then it’s a bizarre protest.

    He may feel targeted because they’ve decided to enforce a rule that currently only affects him but it’s a fairly fragile mindset. As others have stated there’s existing rules that are now going to be more strictly enforced, hardly a big deal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,851 ✭✭✭quokula


    It doesn’t only affect him. Gasly is at least one other driver I know who’s affected and there are probably others. For his part, Pierre also said he was very unhappy with it and hopes they won’t implement it, but he also said he respected it and would comply if necessary.

    Very different to Lewis’ reaction which was to turn up to the press conference looking like a child who was let loose in their parent’s jewellery box wearing 3 watches and covered in chains, insisting he won’t comply and never will and challenging the FIA to ban him.

    It’s a power play, he believes he’s bigger than the sport and wants to force the FIA to back down and let him ignore the rules that everyone else has to follow.

    It’s pretty typical of the behaviour of him and his team who believe the rules should be set up to serve them, and have generally got their way when they demand the FIA change things. A small but typical example of that is getting the rules for floor stays changed at the start of the season which really helped them out with their flexing floor and particularly cost teams like Alpine who had more rigid floors because they designed a car that worked to the regulations as written rather than getting the regulations changed to suit their car. I’ve no doubt that little rule change is a key part in them being able to regain form more quickly than they otherwise would have.

    Keeping the pressure on the FIA to bend to their will on matters like jewellery is just another way to confirm who’s really in charge in that relationship.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,620 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    When sky were reporting on the jewelry issue first, I thought it was an image thing that the fia were trying to clamp down on, and couldn't understand it.

    Jenson Button on the F1 show was very simple about it though, it's a rule, it's for safety and should be followed, simple as. Hard to disagree.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,431 ✭✭✭Gamb!t


    Russell looked good in practice think he’ll get a podium tomorrow he might even get a win for himself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,668 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    She's with the W Series presentation team exclusively.

    This too shall pass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    The gloves/suits are fire retardent. A metal object heating up will burn the skin regardless of fire retardent clothing.


    This isn't difficult. Sky are painting the out to get Lewis narrative but the rule is 17 or 18 years old.


    And as Toto says rules are rules



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,668 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    I highly doubt Lewis Hamilton is the only motorsport driver in the world to wear body jewellery. I see Vettel put on underpants above his race suit in some form of protest. I have to say it's all getting a bit farcical now.

    This too shall pass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,183 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Maybe you should read what I wrote. I’m not saying it was racially motivated, I was saying how stupid that suggestion that it was racially motivated is.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    Its not really.


    The rules are 17 or 18 years old and are there for driver safety. The drivers cannot complain about safety at say Jeddah, which they did quite a bit, but then complain when other safety issues are addressed and rules actually enforced.

    Grosjean complained loudly abt the Halo when it was introduced but he probably now be dead if it wasn't introduced.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,289 ✭✭✭mr_edge_to_you




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,088 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Ah, the racial element was brought up by a poster complaining that someone might bring up a racial element. That can be dismissed as persecution fantasy.

    He'd been called a scumbag, dickhead, bell-end (by me), petulant child and a cry-baby, all because of his behaviour, not his race. Race was only brought up by someone complaining that race would be brought up. There is no race implication except by one poster who fantasised about being called racist.

    Its a sound rule and should have been implemented all along. The grosjean incident is all the reminder we need to demonstrate the need for the rule.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,088 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    It seems like a bizarre protest and might be an attempt to stay relevant given his poor car. But I wondered if he's contacted to wear some of the jewellery. Maybe he's getting publicity for the jewelry now before it's banned at track time.

    Bizarre protest anyway. If there are no other reasons for it, it's silly.



  • Posts: 1,824 [Deleted User]


    He must have very little going on in his life to be getting into such a bizarre stand-off with the FIA. Approaching 40 and getting into a huff over nose rings. He's like a teenager who never grew up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,164 ✭✭✭Hijpo


    Ah, it read in a way that you had an issue with it because it targeted him it was racially motivated and ridiculous.

    Apologies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭sam t smith


    Maybe a poor attempt to draw attention away from his on track performances.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,851 ✭✭✭quokula


    Let’s not conflate two entirely separate issues. Vettel wasn’t protesting about jewellery, he was protesting about proposed underwear inspections. Both are for safety, but you can very quickly and easily check for jewellery without violating someone’s privacy - indeed every driver will have undergone such checks in the airport on their way to every race, unlike having their underwear checked.

    Vettel made a statement in his usual humorous way and never suggested at all that he’d refuse to wear fire proof underwear or that they’d have to ban him, he’s just concerned about the privacy aspect of physical inspections.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,543 ✭✭✭✭Busi_Girl08


    Interesting point about the jewellery rule - apparently it doesn't apply to wedding rings

    Surely just avoid any confusion and make it a blanket ban no exceptions?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,851 ✭✭✭quokula


    So with the consensus being that the track is like ice offline, that’s got to be bad news for drivers starting on the even side of the grid. Makes pole position extra important today.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,743 ✭✭✭Charlie-Bravo


    Perez immediately after the session yesterday was saying there's absolutely no grip off line. So you'll probably have a messy qualy with drivers trying to save their tyres before a hot lap and keeping the tyres clean by staying on the racing line. I'd expect at least one red flag per qualy session.

    Let's see how the women get on today, I would imagine their cars would be a little be more nimble in the tight chicane.

    -. . ...- . .-. / --. --- -. -. .- / --. .. ...- . / -.-- --- ..- / ..- .--.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,088 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    True enough for the track in general but the starting positions are surely well rubbered in after all the races that take place all weekend. They always go on about the sides of the track at the start but it rarely makes much difference by the f1 race which is the last race of the weekend. It's usually just a hype point to sell the race.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,431 ✭✭✭Gamb!t




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,349 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Lots of drivers all over the shop in both FP sessions, this race could be a mess of red flags. Quali will be interesting for sure.


    Williams should really just let the reserve driver have a go instead of Latifi.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,349 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    It boggles my mind the way the FIA have all these rules on the book but they apply them so inconsistently. I can't understand why they run the sport this way because it just leads to conflicts and nonsense distractions like this. If this rule had been applied consistently without exception since it was introduced this wouldn't even be a debate because none of the drivers would ever have worn jewellery or piercings in the first place. It's the same with track limits and loads of other stuff.



  • Posts: 25,917 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It's because the teams and drivers have way, way too much power and there's way, way too much over-familiarity. How many soccer players moaning in the press did it take to update the kick-off rules a few years ago? Zero, because it's not their fuckin place.

    It's not just F1, we see it everywhere now. "But what about this, can't this just be a tiny exception, sure it doesn't harm anyone" and then the exceptions build until some arsehole barrister will make a few hundred grand for themselves and they go to the CAS (which is like something from a **** conspiracy theory, mind-boggling really) and CAS will rule on "legal principles" and since there were exceptions applied, those exceptions therefore nullify the law/rule being broken or some such bullshit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,369 ✭✭✭Rossi IRL


    He has to be one of the worst drivers to have been in F1


    Every yellow/red flag there is a 90% chance it was caused by Latifi.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,668 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    This too shall pass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,349 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    He's up there with Lord Maldonado. Last year he was much more solid, he had a few decent performances in qualifying (relatively speaking) and he didn't crash half as much. These cars are definitely harder to drive.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭sam t smith


    The problem with people choosing to ignore rules that aren’t actively enforced is that they are still breaking the rule, and when the rule is subsequently enforced they don’t really have any comeback other than the childish ‘you didn’t enforce it before’ type responses we are seeing from Hamilton and Wolff.

    The irony here is that Mercedes and Wolff played a significant part in getting Michael Masi sacked for not enforcing the rules to the letter. An inevitable consequence of that was that the rules would now need to be seen to be enforced to the letter.

    That Hamilton and Wolff are now making such a big deal out of a long existing rule being enforced to the letter is hilarious.

    The ‘narrative’ seems to be that one of the two new race directors is a stickler for enforcing the rules. More rubbish.



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