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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,467 ✭✭✭zv2


    Recruitment in Donbas-

    A person from Russian-occupied Donbas tells me in her town, almost all males aged between 18 and 55 have been sent to the war against Ukraine as cannon fodder.

    That’s including 18-year-old schoolboys.

    “All who haven’t managed to go into hiding, have been mobilized.”

    https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1521228157961089024?s=20&t=WbgaGDq6VSrYvmAsGJftLg

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 665 ✭✭✭goldenmick


    @victor8600 - Wow, nice way to have a discussion. First of all, what I am saying is not an "assumption". It is as close to a historical fact as anything could be. Secondly, if you call my attempts to educate you "ridiculous", I actually agree with you, as you seem to be incapable of learning.


    Who exactly do you think you are with your "attempts to educate people". You're nothing but a nobody on an anonymous forum. As for being "incapable of learning" then I suggest you apply that phrase to yourself as you've convinced yourself that events of over 30 years ago have influenced Putin being the madman he is today. Totally delusional.



    @victor8600 - Secondly, don't blame all of this solely on Putin. Russians are responsible and at least a sizable minority of them support the most vile, repulsive crimes perpetrated by the russian army in Ukraine.


    It doesn't matter who supports Putin and who doesn't, but it is only a minority as you've agreed above. The bottom line is that PUTIN ordered the war. PUTIN directs operations. And PUTIN makes all the decisions. So about 140 million ordinary Russian people have absolutely no say in this whatsoever. And if they raise their heads above the parapet to complain then they and their families will also suffer indignities.



    @victor8600 - You are wrong, go read some books. Look up "power corrupts" in Google for recommendations. If Putin wasn't elevated to power, he'd be just a boring retired FSB pensioner with no notable achievements and, most importantly, no homicidal ambitions.


    I agree that power corrupts. Where have I said that it doesn't???

    You said that events from over 30 years ago made Putin the madman he is today. I disagreed.

    Power may corrupt but it doesn't make you any more insane in the head than any other event that happens in your life.



    @victor8600 - Sorry, my posts can seem sudden and abrasive. So it won't come as a surprise to you that on the basis of your post, I regard you as a person of a lesser intellect.


    You're really full of yourself with the insults. You're "attempting to educate me". I'm "incapable of learning", and you regard me as "a person of lesser intellect".

    Some would likely report you for that, and get you a short holiday. I'm happy to just let you keep embarrassing yourself in front of lesser intellects on here.



    @victor8600 - The history matters, and it matters a lot. I am sure that Russia will lose this war. What's next? After Putin is gone, the West should make sure that it does not support another convenient tyrant like Yeltsin just because he says the right words.


    You sure talk a load of gobbledygook.

    History hasn't made Putin mad, as you claim. If history did that to folk, then with mine I'd be mad, as likely would everyone else on here.

    You've got into this discussion with me simply because of my disagreeing with your assertion that events of over 30 years ago made Putin the madman he is today. A wholly ridiculous statement. And no amount of your pseudo-intellectual babble will convince folk otherwise.

    Don't bother replying as I've no wish to converse with you further. You're probably too busy anyway as a person with such a high intellect as yourself no doubt has university lectures to give, and articles to compile for books of enlightenment for future generations. Zzzzzzzzzzz



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,771 ✭✭✭Apiarist


    You've got into this discussion with me simply because of my disagreeing with your assertion that events of over 30 years ago made Putin the madman he is today.

    It's your words, not mine. Events from 30 years ago onwards show that the West repeatedly talks about supporting the democracy, but short-term interests trump all any real support for the democracy in Russia. Now everyone sees that Putin is a dangerous tyrant. Did that happen overnight? No, the roots of the problem lie in the past.

    Hopefully, this time, we will learn (again) that appeasement of tyrants does not work. They start by killing political opponents, then grabbing "contested" lands, and then they become a global problem.

    Don't bother replying as I've no wish to converse with you further.

    Thank you, bye!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 665 ✭✭✭goldenmick



    So the invasion is all the fault of the West. Another Western basher.

    You'll make a lot of friends on here. Not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,449 ✭✭✭nigeldaniel


    So Russia plans to officially invade Ukraine soon. Given what's left of the Russian army, I suspect they are now recruiting 'Dads Army'

    As John Mcclane might say 'Yippee-ki-yay motherrussia'

    Dan.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Oof. High price to pay for taking a sh*tty job for a propaganda outlet, but thems the breaks.

    You can see on his Twitter profile he's been live-tweeting his mental contortion following the war. Going from the "invasion articles are a Western media plot" to a classic "all wars bad" and "yes, but NATO" merchant. Sounds familiar eh?

    Very hard to feel sorry for him and this mud will stick in his "journalistic career".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,161 ✭✭✭wassie


    Yet none of the muck that he peddles was reported in that article. In fact on first reading that I would of thought he may have been hard done by if I hadnt read your post first.

    Typical RTE shite.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,874 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Embarrassing as a fellow Kilkenny man. What a clown



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,161 ✭✭✭wassie


    Seems he's been at it a while give this article dates back to 2014 when Russia took Crimea.

    "MacDonald also resorts to threats and intimidation against those whom he fails to influence, and he is especially sensitive to any inquiries about his resume or his role as a pro-Kremlin mouthpiece."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    I can't believe that I'm saying this, but I will be bitterly disappointed if this conflict fizzles out by Russians blowing the bridges in the East, holding Donbas and the land bridges and declaring victory.

    I know thousands have died and millions of people have been uprooted, but somehow I feel that NATO have missed an opportunity to cripple Russia once and for all, by calling her bluff on the WMD's.

    I feel that Russia will back off soon, demand a concession from Zelensky, strangle Ukraine's economy through controlling her ports and still overshadow the country through the threat of random airstrikes in Kiev and elsewhere. In other words, Europe with a madman on her doorstep that knows he got away with the seemingly impossible.

    It's also a dangerous time, for Russia at least, because the Baltics are itching for a fight, more than the rest of us, and they too will be bitterly disappointed with the loss of an opportunity. From now on is the time when " mistakes" are likely to happen to try to drag NATO into doing what I feel they should have done earlier in the conflict.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,771 ✭✭✭Apiarist


    > I can't believe that I'm saying this, but I will be bitterly disappointed if this conflict fizzles out by Russians blowing the bridges in the East, holding Donbas and the land bridges and declaring victory.

    Exactly. Because if this happens, Russia will regroup and attack again, going for Ukraine and Moldova. This must not happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,560 ✭✭✭The tax man


    Not surprised in fairness. Hard enough to hold any type of event in the park, let alone this type of crap.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 376 ✭✭Slava_Ukraine


    Russia must be allowed no victory. They must be ran out of Ukraine (all of it) and then pay for reparations. Full sanctions in place until they do, and those reparations go a lot further than the material damage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,137 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Any of the gobshítes trying to "organise" or attend a bootleg version of this rubbish needs to be fined to high hell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 376 ✭✭Slava_Ukraine


    Any decent Russian who opposes this war would not attend because of the shame and embarrassment they must feel from what their nation is currently imposing on a peaceful country. Any who would attend...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Unless NATO are willing to back Ukraine with serious firepower its a real possibility. Like most war reporting, what we're hearing is the usual dubious stuff, the usual other side is crap, our side is doing great.

    Ukraine need to be able to dislodge the Russians from their occupied territory, especially in the south, otherwise the Russians will consolidate and hold out.

    Given the likes of France, Hungary and Germanys support that is no support (and the Ukrainians have to worry about Macron, Orban et al clueing in Putin on the state of play when it suits them) They are going to need the Americans above all else to commit serious hardware to give the Russians a shoeing without losing reams of men. Heavy anti aircraft systems and heavy missile systems, which the Yanks are nervous about as the Ukranians will probably start hammering the likes of Sevastopol or I-can't-Believe-its-not-Moldova-tria with them.

    I hope the Russians escalate and the Poles etc wade in and give them a kicking. Vlads nuclear threat is a load of my arse, Russia needs to be rolled right back up to it's borders and kept there. Iron Curtain Mk 2



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,355 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    It won't happen, it would depend on Ukraine accepting terms and that won't happen even if some Europeans try to pressure them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭ronivek


    I agree; but as recently as today Zelenskyy's language doesn't indicate they're looking for anything other than a complete military defeat of Russia inside Ukraine.

    I suppose it really depends on how things develop over the coming weeks: if the NATO artillery and additional armoured vehicles can't be translated into any kind of forward momentum to retake areas of Ukraine then I imagine a ceasefire becomes more and more likely. They're already retaking some towns and villages in Kharkiv now though.

    Also it's not beyond the realms of possibility that Russia continue to eke out incremental gains particularly around Izyum and northern Donetsk. In addition the troops who left Mariupol recently might pose more problems for Ukraine wherever they might be repositioned after refitting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    Agreed, of course, but I see a different narrative beginning to form. The key here is the US and Poland. Will they have the stomach to finish the job.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    Want to know everything, and I do mean everything, about RT goon, ex-Carlow man Brian ( Bryan) McDonald?

    Here's some of the best investigative journalism I've seen in a long time. And this was 2014.....

    The piece also gives a fascinating insight into the murkier corners of the socio-political landscape.

    Well worth a read.


    https://www.interpretermag.com/life-of-bryan-how-an-rt-columnist-tries-to-influence-the-debate-on-russia-and-ukraine/



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    Thats a great point about Sevastapol. Have a look at it through Google Earth. It's a real eye-opener. They were loading missles onto a submarine in its port just last week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    Ha! I've just discovered the same thing! It's a great piece of journalism.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,325 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Ukraines economy would suffer through loss of her ports. In normal circumstances, but these aren't normal circumstances. The EU will(and should if they've any sense) just help Ukraine consolidate her road and rail "ports" in the west of the country. They run straight into the heart of the EU. Bypass the ports entirely. Let putin watch the ports he blasted to hell, that he can't afford to repair, lay empty while Ukraine's exports and imports go elsewhere.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,096 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Speaking of the Baltic and escalation:

    "Finland's Defense Ministry says Russian helicopter violated their country's airspace

    According to the ministry, the Mi-17 helicopter flew from 4 to 4.5 km in the districts of Kesyalahti and Parikkala in eastern Finland.

    Yesterday, May 3, media reported that German fighter jets intercepted a Russian Il-20 reconnaissance aircraft (pictured) after it crossed international airspace"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,096 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    "⚡️The Russians found a traitor among the former employees of the plant

    "Azovstal", which showed them secret underground passages under the territory of the enterprise, and now the occupiers are storming these tunnels."

    The face of a traitor:

    Screenshot_20220504-202640_Telegram.jpg

    This is the same arsehole who showed the Orcs a detailed 3D map of the place and where he thought people would most likely be hiding so they could pinpoint where best to drop the really big bombs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,033 ✭✭✭jmreire


    I lived in Russia for several years, first visit in 1995 for a year, then back again in 2000 to 2003. You have to think about Russian Society back then, Communism on the way out...the only system people knew, and they were facing the unknown. Capitalism and Democracy were thought of as been from the decadent enemy west, and not to be trusted. And no one understood them anyway. I remember in the 90's when I first went there, the air of mistrust of not only foreigners ( although they attracted more attention) but of everyone, and this was considered normal. Babushkas would sit at their little desks on each hotel floor corridor, painstakingly writing down the details of who arrived and when they left. Sitting down in a restaurant having a meal, could be interrupted anytime by dark suited gentlemen, demanding your documents. They never said what or why they were doing this, or showed any identification. People were so conditioned to the Communist system, no one ever questioned them. So you had a society which was ready made, you could even say "tailor made" for Putin. Just like when you squeeze a tube of toothpaste, because the opening is round, so is the toothpaste as it comes out. If the opening was triangular or square, that's the way the tooth paste would be configured. And it was Putin who shaped Russian Society. Once he demolished the power of the Oligarchs, starting with Khodorkovsky, he established that there was one supreme boss, and it was him. And so he molded Russian society as he wished, to his benefit. Any divergence or opposition was ruthlessly put down, and we have seen countless recent examples of this. So at what point will Russians decide that they have had enough, and decide to rebel ? or will it ever happen?? They have not reached boiling point yet. One thing has not changed anyway, as far as I can see.....under the Communists, it was a police state...its still the same.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,096 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    "❗️A minimum of 631 missiles were launched from Belarus in Ukraine - monitoring group "Belarusian Guyun"

    The missile launches began at 6:20 a.m. on February 24, 2022. The last of them was yesterday, May 3, at 11:35.

    The video shows the history of launches"

    I find that hard to get my head around. If a single one of those landed in this country I think it would implode and come to a grinding halt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭mcsean2163


    Same as the Ukrainians so, except omitted the 55-60 category.

    Interesting perspective from former UN weapons inspector.

    https://open.spotify.com/episode/6a0YT17R6dulyYtH1m9YN8



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭mcsean2163




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,096 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    8 enlistment centres have been torched so far in Moscow.



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