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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,211 ✭✭✭Addmagnet


    They're becoming endangered, much more difficult to spot one in the wild :p



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,419 ✭✭✭Count Dooku


    And?

    Despite the words Nazi and Jew should be always antonyms, it was few exceptions in Ukraine

    You can google yourself about Khaim Sygal and choose sources you would trust. There is an article in Journal of Genocide Research, but there are others as well

    https://www.academia.edu/62518910/The_Many_Lives_and_Afterlives_of_Khaim_Sygal_Borderland_Identities_and_Violence_in_Wartime_Ukraine

    Jew, Yiddish teacher, Ukrainian nationalist, head of Ukrainian police in Dubrovytsia responsible for extermination of 1500 local Jews and personally killed a lot of Jewish children. Later he got a job in SD and a few witnesses on his trial saw him in SS uniform in the rank of Untersturmführer.

    The only reason he has been caught was that one of Dubrovytsia Holocaust survivors recognized him in a queue for immigration to Israel, so in 1952 murderous Stalin’s regime executed him for his crimes

    During Cold War, some Western historians were trying to present him as anti-Stalinist, but after the Ukrainian SBU released his file for public access in 1990s, it was learned that after USSR took Eastern Ukraine, Khaim Sygal joined NKVD where he was participating in purges against class enemies such as Polish intelligentsia and rich Jews.

    His name resurfaced during the last presidential elections in Ukraine, when Ukrainian Nazis started to tell to themselves that a Jewish president without real power is not a disaster, especially in exchange for NATO made weapons

    It was a few other Jews who joined Ukrainian nationalists during WW2 and charged later for genocide, but this guy was truly exceptional, like Zelinsky now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    No point sending them when they can't supply them plus where will they get all the requisite weaponry? At nearly Day 70 it is not mad to state that this war is lost. Even the lesser targets of the enclaves look beyond them at this point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,108 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,822 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    There's a good book by Hannah Arendt called the origins of totalitarianism. She draws explicit comparisons between the nazi's and Stalins Russia. Not in their individual beliefs but in how they were both authoritarian. How the regimes targeted people. How there was a single ideology in the country. How they attempted to infiltrate every aspect of life and how they each created an "other" that needed to be wiped out. They always placed the blame for everything that's wrong with a group of people that were hidden inside. The jews, capitalists etc that were working to undermine and if it wasn't for them, it would be a utopia.

    Most other fascist/communist countries didn't have that aspect.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,822 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    Why are you suggesting ? Assassinations ? Bombings ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,822 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Jaysus. That's a hot take. I'd accuse you of being a Russian shill from that "Internet Research Agency" but I don't think even they'd post something that bizarre.



  • Posts: 7,946 [Deleted User]


    "Thousands of years ago..." Let me stop you there, chum.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,334 ✭✭✭RGARDINR


    I think that's correct for certain armies it's up to 6 months. If they were to start from scratch I wonder wolhat you would basically need to get up to some sort of standard I.e. 6 wks or the likes. But yeah I say you could have them in a holding position of just holding rear areas and freeing up your better forces but will come to a point that they will need to fight as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,723 ✭✭✭storker


    Even the pulp WW2 fiction write Sven Hassel visited that theme a number of times in his books, although by way of throwaway comments rather than in-depth analysis. In his characters' view there were Brown Nazis and Red Nazis and damn-all difference between them.

    ‘Well, well, one thing is sure enough. Adolf has lost his war. If we could only destroy the red Nazis along with our brown ones it would be the first time a war had ended in a sensible way.’


    ‘Are they anything but lice, foul lice without souls? There’s not a bit of difference between Ivan’s red ones and our brown ones.’

    That said, his characters were those who at various times had found themselves on the wrong end of the system, so considerations like state ownership of industry etc probably wouldn't have been all that relevant.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Sources? How about this one from the Journal of Genocide Research (peer reviewed unlike your garbage)...

    "...Then, after the Soviet Union’s demise, citing the Gladkov publication openly as the source, though stripped of its literary trappings, the far-right Russian nationalist organization, Pamiat’, published an article in 1992 about Sygal, which described him as a Holocaust perpetrator.64 Its author presented the Sygal case as an “instructive story,” wielding it as a cudgel to attack a gamut of politicians and activists, as well as the idea of an independent Ukraine. In keeping with the racist agenda of Pamiat’ and in a register similar to the Chekisty publications, the article denounces Jews, Ukrainian nationalists, and Bolsheviks as participating together in a conspiracy against Russians.

    This brief, ridiculous publication gave the Sygal story traction among other “patriotic” and antisemitic far-right Russian groups. Thus, with the Pamiat’ publication as a source, Sygal’s name is featured on a number of Russian-language internet lists claiming to unmask “hidden Jewish-Zionists” and “masked” Jews accused of crimes against the Russian people (and others) over the last thousand years (give or take). These lists, with changes and additions, have continued to be posted online until recently.65 In short, echoing common paranoia in post-Soviet Russian nationalism, Sygal is portrayed not just as a stereotypically perfidious Jew, but sometimes also as an American “intelligence agent.”

    Get lost with your anti-Semitic Russian nationalist sh*te, and get lost trying to tie-in Zelensky with it.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,326 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Without the fall of Constantinople it's quite likely Russia wouldn't be the Russia it became or is today. Byzantine influence went west into Europe, but also and more so into the north and Russia, where Moscow inherited/gave itself the title of the "Third Rome" and the ruler became Caesar/Czar/Tzar. Even the two headed eagle of Russia is a Roman/Byzantine symbol. The god botherer stuff is also a schism of the old Eastern and Western Roman world. It's one reason why the crusaders sacked Constantinople. That centuries old rivalry and seeing them as different was still in play.

    So why did Europe become a "beautiful garden" and Russia for the most part didn't? Well the Mongols invading Russia didn't help, but mostly it was because Europe was a collection of competing nation states, who inherited both Greek and Roman classical thought, Russia was more influenced by the Greek, but was more northern in temperament and it was an empire and empires are very prone to inward thinking and stagnation. Peter the Great tried to look outward and did, but that had been resisted, not least by the Church. Europe also moved away from feudal society and gained more and more social mobility(particularly after the Black Death) and the Reformation sped things up. Russia clung onto feudalism, kept serfdom legal until the middle of the 19th century and social mobility was much less in play and had no Reformation to shake the old ways up.

    In essence the Russian empire stayed pickled somewhere in the 14th century, European nations didn't.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,144 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    in ww2 they were supplied by the dead guy in front of them and that's where putin in headin!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,553 ✭✭✭Fiery mutant


    Perhaps he will have an accident while under the knife 😏

    We should defend our way of life to an extent that any attempt on it is crushed, so that any adversary will never make such an attempt in the future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,023 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,450 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    I think he was just trying to get in a snide and offensive dig at Zelensky and Ukraine but didn't realise the implications of what he was saying re. Israel. This is what happens though when you start drinking the "Ukrainians are all Nazis" Kool aid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 109 ✭✭Ceramic


    50CB4EBE-AB71-461B-8AE7-1BD2329FCBE6.jpeg D26EEA6A-0051-469D-9202-BFA892279FDA.jpeg

    Just for a closer to home scale.

    from: thetruesize.com



  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,463 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Well not really - that would run into 10s of millions. However those in their late teens/early 20s are likely to be disproportionally called up and there may be significant losses of young Russian adult males. They are probably not going to get much training and may become largely cannon fodder



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    I think the mobilisation is a massive risk for Putin in all honesty



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,898 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf





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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,822 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    A lot of commentators say that if he went for a full mobilization it would be a huge turning point. There would be widespread dissatisfaction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,449 ✭✭✭nigeldaniel


    As long as Mad Man Putin is not thinking along the lines of WW1 trenches at the front and all that. 100,000 teens in trenches dying by the hundreds every day. RT back in Moscow would go into hyperdrive with that propaganda hardcore militants from Putin's private army would flood Europe looking for vengeance. If Putin knows his health is not good and he may not last the year he would not care an iota for Russia or its citizens and would willingly let everyone off those conscripts die for nothing but his own mad derangement. I think a serious debate needs to start on Putin's state of mind.

    Dan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,037 ✭✭✭jmreire


    And possibly even more important, the "quality" of the soldiers, how well trained and experienced they are. Throwing thousands of green conscripts into Ukraine, would be the height of madness.....but then again, the whole idea of invading Ukraine was madness to begin with. If the code 200 and 300 are what they are now, what would they be like in a case where the majority or a high proportion were conscripts ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,588 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme




  • Posts: 7,946 [Deleted User]


    And what... let him invade wherever he wants? 'Shur, it's only Mad Vlad... let him off, we can sort it out once he's gone.'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,249 ✭✭✭Economics101


    The economic consequences of anything remotely approaching a full-scale mobilization are huge. You are taking people from existing employment (or higher education studies) and putting them into an army. What about the loss in output and real incomes that this implies? And if you concentrate on the more skilled part of the population this only adds to the huge loss already as highly-skilled young people flee the country.

    So Russia might well be on the road to total disaster.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,096 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    It's certainly possible that this is propaganda, but it's not at all surprising to me. How many Russian conscripts are in here just wondering when the fcuk can they go home?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,108 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Ukraine Oz size.jpg

    :-)

    That's my home scale. I can't see what the fuss ia about, not very big at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,096 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Even Jimmy Vasquez is getting in on the act and capturing a Russian vehicle.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,605 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    You took the green ones instead of the pink ones this morning didn't you!



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