Russia - threadbanned users in OP

Lots of collaboration and corruption. Caught way off guard. They were not prepared for it. It would never ever have happened if there was Ukrainian focused police and forces there.

You haven’t read my post, just automatically went for abuse.

It is not in Biden's remit to negotiate away the right of another country. It would be like the UK invading us and after capturing a third of the country, the EU coming along to negotiate a solution that suits the UK.

How can you negotiate with Putin. He sits at one end of his long table telling you his demands, threatening nuclear war.

Load of rubbish. Who invaded who. Germany, Austria and Hungry mainly hoped this would go away. The rest of the former Eastern bloc countries Poland, Czech, Slovakia, the Baltic states, even neutral countries like Sweden and Finland saw the danger straight away. They knew if Putin got away with this some of them were next. France diddered as it always seems to do. This may suit the US as it gives a back door to a solution, but Macron knew after his visit he was wasting his time. The US intelligence was spot on from the start. The only pity was the weapons were not there earlier.

The West actually taught that when Russia invaded it was game up. They advised Zelenski to leave Kyiv and set up a government in exile or Western Ukraine. But Zelenski stood his ground and awaited his faith. The West could not actually believe how poor the Russian military machine. It was incompetent at all levels. It's technology was poor. It's troops morale was poor. It's leadership was poor. It's intelligence was poor. It's logistics and supply were poor. It never developed air superiority over Ukraine, which was hard to believe. As of yesterday it losses approximately are

875 Tanks.

2250 Armoured vehicles.

180 Planes.

150 Helicopters.

410 Artillery systems

I almost forgot the two boateens.

This is all Russia doing. Nobody asked them to invade Ukraine. Putin decided on a land and population grab as his own country is drying. The population is dropping by a million a year he has forced nearly a million if the Ukrainian population into Russia. He has kidnapped 100k+ Ukrainian children's who were handed over to Russian families.

So stop the propganda

Another one that didn’t read my post. You started by saying my post was a load of rubbish and then added a load of text which backed up what I said.

People need to stop saying ‘propaganda’ at every post they mildly disagree with. Obviously Putin started the war. Everything changed when the west saw how weak the Russian military was and level of support increased massively. The priority of this support is to degrade the Russian military, not to save Ukraine. There are plenty of countries in the world now being ethnically cleansed and getting zero support from the west. Supporting Ukraine is correct, I am just commenting on the motives.

NATO should have declared a no fly zone in February before the Orcs had time to invade. As it is now, Ukraine must be fast-tracked to join NATO if Russia declares war on Ukraine.