The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*

Why do you make out it’s a bad thing that Kerry dominate Munster. Every team goes out to win. That’s a given. That Kerry have proved over the decades that they do this much more frequent than the opposition shows great kudos to Kerry gaa. And the state of football in Kerry. I’m not from Kerry but seems like they have a wonderful philosophy down there for the gaa Ie it’s encouraged naturally from a very young age. Same for Kilkenny sone years ago when they went through that great patch of winning all Ireland’s.

I don’t know why you’re trying to equate Kerry dominating Munster to dublins winning decade Kerry did it out of developing natural ability - there wasn’t a focus on money. It’s effectively in their culture that u have to play gaa. Hence competition is created and standards rise. It’s common sense. It’s up to the other teams to match that. That’s completely different than dublins position. Money was thrown at the county, to develop a team of robots to go and win an all-ireland. And they duly delivered. And another 6 or 7 on top of that. But it was money driven. Which is fine for Dublin folks. But it’s a shame that dominance didn’t come naturally like the Kerry’s and Kilkennys. But so be it. In many sports, you’ll have dominance. But most of it it through hard graft and natural ability. Not an unfair swing of cash resources . There is nothing wrong with that type of dominance. But there is no point in comparing Kerry’s dominance through hard graft and natural ability to dublins dominance through financial doping. Apples and oranges young man

The nub of the issue which is a logical fallacy in an amateur sport that money is the sole reason for success. You conveniently ignore other past variables in context.

1) Neglect of Dublin GAA - For many years/decades organisation in Dublin GAA was haphazard to say the least. Which meant Dublin underachieved given the size of the county. For example Dublin did not even field an under 21 football team for many years!

Which meant the only way was up! Even with a small bit of care and planning.

2) Cost of being Dublin - Dublin has many issues Kerry does not have from a logistics standpoint. Cost of building land and availability of land. Vastly different in other counties. Dublin struggles to find available land at affordable prices. This is one area where I agree Dublin funding was necessary. But cost difference outside Dublin to inside Dublin is vastly different. I have already mentioned how Tyrone GAA built a centre of excellence for less than the price Dublin paid for a patch of land in the spawell, with no building on it!

Dublin really need a 25000/35000 stadium instead of Parnell Park. Now if the cost of the spawell land alone was more than a Tyrone centre of excellence how much to you think a 35k stadium would cost in Dublin? The next question would be where would you build it?

Logistics in Dublin are difficult. Travel from one side of the city to the other is hassle- Talllaght to Howth???

Where would you build a stadium? And where would you find cost effective available and suitable land?Land is at a premium in Dublin.

Thankfully DCB shelved the new stadium plan because the costs did not make financial sense. People laughed at Cork with PUC. Imagine what they would say about Dublin especially when CP is available!

The cost of land, available land for facilities are major problems if Dublin wanted to create more clubs in areas with large populations and few clubs.

3) Population issues and Uneven spread of clubs - Round Towers Clondalkin - massive catchment area population one club - Unsuccessful. Erin’s Isle Finglas again big catchment area pushing 30 years since any success at senior. Thomas Davis in Tallaght no senior success since the 90’s huge population:catchment area to chose from.

Population does not guarantee success. But when variables around it are it are not managed properly it becomes an albatross that can snowball very quickly.

3) Culture creation - one area where I would agree with you is that Kerry GAA have a strong ethos - culture. It is managed correctly. When Dublin GAA created a positive organised culture )Which was managed properly) success followed.

Astute management planning creation of a culture can improve a team regardless of a teams ability. Fortunately for Dublin Football a succession of managers looked at the big picture at the time of their tenure. Pillar - blooded players focused on mindset mentally. Gilroy blooded players (plus grew pillars crew) back to basics tactically. Solid foundation hard to beat after 2009 debacle, Jim Gavin - the biggest sea change in Gaelic games tactically that was ever seen. Focus on movement use of keeper etc. Got the players to click with it.

4) Non GAA areas in Dublin - it is not like outside Dublin where mostly GAA is all pervasive. Something Kerry does not have to contend against - like Dublin do.

Soccer and Rugby really control areas of Dublin. In fact many Dublin people have a real antipathy towards ‘the Gah’. Bogball - ‘stick fighting’. Are the disparaging terms.

There is not the same antipathy to GAA in Kerry. The opposite in fact football is almost a religion for most.

5) Once in a generation players - unlike the myth that many wish to propagate - Dublin finances = a conveyor belt of players. It is just not true. Mainly was brought Dublin success was talented group of players with talent management. Similar to Kerry’s successful periods.

6) Decline of Leinster - it is no coincidence when top class/Marquee managers left the Leinster championship went in terminal decline. Micko - Boylan - Paidi. Leinster teams (bar Dublin) have done little or nothing outside Leinster. Look at the League form of Laois- Meath - Kildare. What did they do in the qualifiers - Super 8’s - League? What div have they played in over the last 10 years mostly?

Kildare in particular underachieved- had under age success- but a poor manager who focussed on fitness (and lived off his one AI as a player) stunted Kildare big time. They did nothing outside Leinster at senior - mismanagement- poor tactically- whatever you want to call it.

The standard of Leinster football became an equivalent of Munster football - no good div 1 team to compete against a dominant side.

You have not addressed any of the points I have made have you? You merely have again repeated your biases with little or no facts to back them up. You merely parrot phrases and myths. Not the first time you have done in relation to Dublin GAA you posted similar stuff on boards 2018. But as yet you have backed up your thesis in your wild statements which seem predicated on your own bias rather than any actual fact.

Many I assume are done for dramatic effect what exactly have 1996 Olympic medals have to with Dublin GAA?

Also you parrot a phrase ‘financial doping’. - a phrase which a French Soccer manager used in professional sports context - Transfer of players.

A phrase which was subsequently ‘borrowed’ by a Kildare ex Pat ‘journalist’ and used for dramatic effect.

However, there are no transfers of professional players for money in the GAA. There are no professional players in the GAA!

It is merely a cognitive bias on behalf of those who use that phrase in the GAA.

You cannot even seem to come up with your own arguments ( they are borrowed from one main source and parroted) not only that you fail to address any of the points I have made.

Because I assume it would force you ‘off script’ and you will have to actually debate and think critically. I don’t think it something you are capable of doing.

Either because you are not capable of doing so. Or are unwilling to do so. I expect a much more reasoned analysis of my previous post points on Kerry / Dublin. Anything otherwise will show that you are incapable of having an analytical debate on the facts at issue. And much prefer sensationalism.

I will give you a week to prepare a proper response. To give you a chance. Make it a good one and put some effort in. And leave your sensationalist statements behind. Think originally, critically and most importantly objectively.

Weak argument But if you look at funding per on a per-capita basis

2011 -Dublin received €1.18, Cork gets €0.47, while Leitrim gets €3.25. By this measure, Longford does best of all with per-capita funding of €3.73.

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And notability you have failed to address any of my previous points and have merely repeated your ‘provincial status’ line. And have listed each county council which seems to be your dream split. You have answered none of my questions based on my Kerry - Dublin post nor critically analysed them. You seem like a one trick pony to be honest as for the Kildare journalist you parrot his sensationalism. That is not drawing your own conclusions that is being swept along is sensationalism.

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You need to understand what Dublin GAA is and does

Absolute Rubbish. Railway Cup is a dead duck. Club football has long ago surpassed it in prestige.

Can’t see the point in calling Dublin a province. Don’t see the logic and all Leinster Council would lose their main income generator. Money which Dublin generates goes to other counties from the Leinster Council.

Only advantage I can see is it would hasten the death of an outdated provincial championship. Which is past it. It is an antiquated championship structure that ironically was a major contributor to Dublin’s past decade of dominance.

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Oh and I did not address your ‘sports science’ = ‘financial doping’ comment yet. It amuses me that many see ‘sports science’ as a mystic. Dark arts. It is just stats analysis of training and physical condition, nutrition etc. Anyone with a laptop can do it these days. Zero mystic. Bit of cop on. Even Mayo could afford to throw their GPS trackers away. Like lee keegan did on Rock’s free.

Not guaranteed results either by the way. As a lot of it is analysis for analysis sake these days.

Not true the Leinster Council is not losing money because of ‘state aid’. It it because there has been an exceptional once in a generation Dublin team. Meanwhile other tradional counties went the other way . Years of mismanagement.Kildare Meath lost or struggled against teams like Carlow Longford Westmeath and Wicklow. Which says it all.

And you have yet to address this point. Or even conceive it or addressed how those Leinster counties performed outside Leinster championship. They really underperformed.

You have repeated this railway cup dream you stated back in 2018 on this site.

On September 2018 you said-

‘It backs up the theory that the GAA should fund the Railway Cup, with Dublin competing against the other 4 provinces.

Dublin then can enter 4 district county teams into the inter county championship.’

In the intervening almost four years you still do not see the number of flaws in your theory. Nor do you seem to have the capacity to self evaluate your position. And look at the practical implications.

The Railway Cup is to all intents and purposes - dead. Bringing Dublin in as a province will not revive it. Splitting Dublin in four will not revive the Leinster championship it would be the final nail in the provinces coffin.

Your sole focus seems to be on Dublin but never addressed other counties contributions/or lack of in causing Dublin to dominate.

It is noticeable in the intervening 4 years you still go on about splitting Dublin. But don’t seem realise if that happens the Leinster Council would be a financial ruin. Affecting other counties in Leinster.

Longford Carlow Westmeath etc. And even more hastening the need for such counties to merge to stay afloat financially. Your dream has major flaws.

But then again it is no surprise and your real goal is not to revive the Railway Cup or even Leinster- it is the destruction of Dublin no matter what.

Disparaging Dublin’s achievements is not enough for you. You want Dublin obliterated. Regardless of the practical implications to the GAA as a whole.

I suppose as the man says a ‘fella can dream’. That’s your dream so give up your faux pretence of wanting revived Leinster and the Railway Cup. There was no sincerity in your statement in 2018. Nor was there in 2022 when you regurgitated it.

Your true motives are laid bare when you read your post disparaging Dublin’s achievements.

It is about the destruction of Dublin for you. The faux concern you have for the Leinster championship and the Railway Cup is a very thin smokescreen for your true motives.

By the way when was the last time you attended a Railway Cup match if ever? How many times?

More faux sincerity.

‘I want to embrace the strengths of Dublin and bring it to the appropriate level. Dubliners are intelligent people. ‘

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‘2 Dublin teams will sellout Croke Park for the Leinster final.’

Far from it would have less interest than an O’Byrne Cup match. As under your theory it would not even be split in two but four! Leinster will have even less status than an O’Byrne Cup after the novelty wears off initially.

It is just a pipe dream you have in which the obliteration of Dublin is your end goal.

You say you want to bring ‘Dublin down the appropriate level. It will in fact have the effect of sending Gaelic Football back decades. As all possibly of innovation will be diluted. Poorer management - poorer players.

If anything the provincials should be scrapped. The League should be made the main competition- home and away.

The fact you want the league reduced tells me you rarely attend league games. As the League is the most competitive and best competition the GAA have. Competitive games where teams are the same level.

Ah I know - I want to see how long the poster can keep it up - repeating the same stuff with no real debate or analysis.

And the poster going back to the start full circle. I have a bad cold the last while so time to kill! Hope I am fit for the Donegal league match at least.

What a load of patronising nonsense, your anti Dublin agenda will never happen

dream on though

Cheers

have a nice life trolling 🥱🥱

Amalgamating counties in GAA will never work. Way too many factors involved which will result in tension/confrontation within the camps.

Along with Dessie Farrell

Enjoy , well deserved