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Better Call Saul ***Spoilers***

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    Amazing Episode

    That Bell , it never gets old



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,692 ✭✭✭memorystick




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,519 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Damn, what a fantastic episode. After singing his praises last week, another incredible week for Michael Mando. He's been the unsung hero of the entire show. Incredible actor and character. Jonathan Banks was amazing too. I think this also sets the stage for why he ended up connecting with Jesse like he did in Breaking Bad.

    I was completely blindsided by the ending though. One of the things I keep coming back to is Saul's first Breaking Bad episode, where Walt and Jesse have guns on him. He makes it seem like he and Nacho did something and he thought Lalo had sent men after him, and I always thought that's part of what Saul's story and his connection with the Cartel was heading towards. I started to assume it had something to do with the diamonds we saw he has post-BB, but now I have no idea what's happening there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    Bit of cheese acting from Juan at the end



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,835 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,849 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Just to echo what other posters said about s6 e3. Great episode - powerful stuff. I think it will go down as one of the all time great BB/BCS episodes. Michael Mando top notch. People have received Oscars for a lot less.

    Liked the father and son thing. The decency shown between Mike and Nacho as well. Plus the way Nacho although a criminal, rewards decency. Giving the garage fella money.

    Also. thought the two storylines are interwoven well. The Saul/Kim v Howard one is almost a slightly less tense relief from the Nacho/Fring v Salamanca Cartel one.

    Plus there was a great bit of acting when Fring's character has a look of panic as Nacho eyeballs him.

    Great stuff. It will be interesting to see how they tie in the two storylines Howard's and Lalo's. Because at some point the two are bound to intertwine fully. Plus I think it is great how Kim/Jimmy are using the Sandpiper money as justification. That they want the payment to help the elderly. But really they just enjoy the buzz of it all.

    Only minor gripe is. How long did Nacho hold his breath for? Ok I timed it 1 minute 10 secs. More believable than I thought, seemed longer with the tension.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    Worst thing you could say it was all a little contrived with nacho

    Everything happened without much spontaneity and lacked some realism

    But was still great television and that's the BCS style





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,224 ✭✭✭artvanderlay


    Sad to see Nacho go. Him and Mike are my favourite characters. I thought he might have fired a few shots at the Salamanca's, forcing them to kill him but he still had a great death scene. Loved him taunting Hector that he was the one who put him in the wheelchair :)

    Tbh I'm much more into the cartel than Jimmy and Kim and I feel the show loses momentum when it switches to them. Hopefully Lalo turns up soon to inject some urgency.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Nacho died with complete victory , secured the safety of his dad while damning the salamancas and also Gus to hell with the disdain he always had for them

    a terrific death on his own terms , love that actor , hugely charismatic



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,524 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    We're three episodes into a thirteen episode run.

    If you'd told me Nacho's narrative arc would be completed so quickly I wouldn't have believed you.

    You'd have to assume there's a lot of things that are going to happen in this season we hadn't accounted for heading into it, there's still a lot of ground to cover, you'd have to assume there's a sizable chunk of post breaking bad narrative at the end of the season as well as elements as yet unseen.

    This episode could have probably just played out the Nacho narrative in isolation and been better for it, it was the bulk of a 45 minute episode after all.

    As satisfying an ending for Nacho as the narrative allowed, now the show has to make do without him.

    Glazers Out!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,633 ✭✭✭✭yabadabado


    Excellent episode


    Michael Mando has been brilliant in the show .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,028 ✭✭✭✭ButtersSuki


    That was an amazing episode, one of the best across both series.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,760 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    My god the tension in the desert last night was something else, when they asked Nacho who he is working for and he looked straight at Gus I thought he was going to say it. The Salamanca cousins lifting Hector in the wheelchair over to Nachos body would have been funny sh1t if the tension wasnt so high.

    Good interview here with Michael Mando on his final episode, the filming crew were wearing Nacho tshirts for his final day filming out in the desert




  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,879 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    Was it explained how Nacho came to be in Gus's possession and Gus able to hand him over to the Cartel, presumably north of the border, without raising any suspicions whatsoever for Juan Bolsa and the Salamanca's?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,028 ✭✭✭De Bhál


    I'll miss Nacho, best storyline in the whole show.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,358 ✭✭✭seraphimvc


    Absolutely amazing episode that ya, this might go down as one of the best episodes of BB BCS.

    The bomb dropped at the last 10mins of the episode and it hit me so hard once i processed the emotions aha.

    To me, obviously Nacho did what they planned to do/say - and then the stuff that he improvised (not really acting at that stage as he really hated Gus Hector guts), that he probably wished he could break out the truth right there but he couldn't, proceed to act on his own little show (struggle) there to make sure Gus is off the hook. All that, he did all that for his father. Nacho :'(

    The last scene is so powerful thinking back all the shite he went through in previous seasons (such a good reminder that he was trying to kill Hector lol), and then we spent 3 episodes to see him gone through hell - all ended with this. May he rest in peace now. Notably no music no conversation after the shot went off. The twins with Hector is hilarious but i doubt any viewers could laugh at that point.

    Goddamn, what an episode.

    What a character, what an actor, bravo really.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 917 ✭✭✭DrZeuss


    Did anyone else notice Gus not walking very confidently when they were about to take Nacho from the van. It's like Gus isn't fully the confident and powerful BB Gus yet and there maybe a few power plays over the coming episodes that 'make' Gus, Gus.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,866 ✭✭✭NickNickleby


    I'm in shock. There was so much potential with Nacho's character.

    Once he got into the van , it was impossible to see any other outcome, hence the heart wrenching goodbye to his Dad.

    Disregarding the other stuff for now, I think there's a bit more to the Nacho story. Hector was pumping bullets into Nacho's body. Pure hatred. And Hector already has a dislike for Nacho's dad. I think he'll be wanting more revenge and will go after the dad. Do your stuff, Mike.

    However, Gilligan and Gould have a way of enticing you in then, kablamo ! Sucker punch.

    The acting in this show is so good, I sometimes forget its fiction. AND, I end up feeling sympathy for men who are essentially gangsters.

    For goodness sake, I'm wayyyy too soft !! :-)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    not only that , he took his own life to save Mike the job of taking him out as had been the plan



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,358 ✭✭✭seraphimvc


    Ya, oh mike sad face broke me abit there.

    So ya iirc he was supposed to run to Gus/Victor and get gunned down (presumably by victor), Mike was like a back up plan for any emergency/out of plan situation.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 909 ✭✭✭MICKEYG


    Great episode.

    A few questions from me.

    1. Did he stab Bolsa before he killed himself and if so how did he manage to free himself of the cable ties and where did he get the weapon.

    2. The opening shot seemed to show a piece of glass but the location was different to where Nacho finally dies. Did I miss something?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,687 ✭✭✭Acosta


    What a great show. Michael Mando is a brilliant actor. One of the best characters on TV over the last decade.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,519 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    1. I think he maybe sliced Bolsa a little in the leg. He got the glass in the room where he met with Gus and Mike before leaving. I think it was either a glass Gus threw in anger in the previous episode, or maybe Nacho broke a glass himself without them knowing. So Nacho found a shard and took it. You can see his hand bleeding when he's kneeling on the ground beside Bolsa, because he was using the glass to cut the cable tie.

    2. I think the shot with the glass in the desert at the start of the episode, but some time after (as it was covered in dirt) and filmed from a different angle to not show the house in the background.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,849 ✭✭✭ILikeBoats


    He dropped a piece of glass which looked like the piece in the opening but as you said, it seemed like a different location



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,679 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    I love this thread. You guys pick out details and connections that I'd never spot. I'm glad I watched the third episode last night before dipping back in here. I'd have been gutted to hear Nacho was a goner before actually seeing it. I'm gutted he's gone. Great character. Great episode. Great TV!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,866 ✭✭✭NickNickleby


    Just watched it again there. Its worse when you know what's coming, and you know that Nacho knows too. Mike's face, I think he was thinking of his own son.

    I do have one question about Mike's role here. How the hell could he shoot ANYONE at that meeting? Surely anything like that will bring suspicion straight down on Gus.

    Isn't that the same location where they shot the van driver, with Mike looking on though the telescopic sight? Where Mike had intended to take out Hector, and probably would still love to.

    Michael Mando's acting was stupendous, even down to the way he almost deflates as he decides "Now!" I wonder were there any tears? (there nearly were in the Nickleby household 😥😊).

    Final thought on this, Muahahaha posted a great piece above. I think Michael Mando was right, Nacho and especially that episode will live on in Pop Culture.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,028 ✭✭✭✭ButtersSuki


    Spoiler - I sadly guessed what was going to happen from the opening credits where you hget the "warning: contains drug use etc." It contained the word "suicide".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,028 ✭✭✭✭ButtersSuki


    Mike wasn't going to take out Nando - he was there in case "things went south" with the others (Salamancas et al). Victor was going to take out Nacho when he ran - when he ran. This was discussed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,028 ✭✭✭✭ButtersSuki




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    Yeah, that was a pretty big spoiler to give away as a "trigger warning". Completely unnecessary.



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