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Can an estate agent refuse an offer that is "too low"?

  • 26-04-2022 1:17pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 73 ✭✭


    Asking price for a house is "X'. I make an offer of "X - Y". Estate agent says I must make an offer of "X". Is this allowed?


    Thanks for any insight!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 695 ✭✭✭houseyhouse


    I believe they are obliged to report it to the seller. The seller may have made it clear that they won’t entertain offers below asking though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,308 ✭✭✭✭Dodge


    They can do what they like really. Them saying ‘we can’t accept that’ is them telling you that the owner won’t sell for that price. Having your underbid ‘recorded’ is pointless really



  • Registered Users Posts: 73 ✭✭nf2k


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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    What are you hoping to gain? What narrative? The EA is telling you that the seller will not consider your offer and that you are wasting both their time. Sellers generally have a cut off point below which they will not sell and tell the EA not to bother with anyone below that. At a time when supply is low and prices high, they have the benefit of being able to tell you to either up your bid or look elsewhere.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 716 ✭✭✭macvin


    If you put a low ball offer in that is clearly well under the current value of the property, why on earth would the agent waste their and their client's time even reading the offer.


    If a property if on the market for many months, there may be a case for it



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  • Registered Users Posts: 73 ✭✭nf2k


    The estate agent isn't even recording my offer on the system. It's 10k under asking, a reasonable starting point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,066 ✭✭✭✭neris


    seller can have told them not to accept anything under the asking price



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,911 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    10 grand below asking in the current market isn't a reasonable starting point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,823 ✭✭✭Allinall


    It absolutely is.

    How do you know the asking price is realistic, even in today's market?

    Estate agent should be passing on all offers to the seller. They can be rejected in two minutes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,729 ✭✭✭ec18


    Vendor probably instructed the EA not to bother reporting offers below the asking. No point recording it when it's essentially in an invalid offer



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  • Registered Users Posts: 14 Warwick green


    Op you're about 10 years too late, unfortunately the days of offers below asking price being entertained are a distant memory. If you are genuinely interested in the property, 5-10% over the asking is probably a good starting point these days. It may seem counterproductive, but it's a tactic that can short circuit a bidding war early.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,308 ✭✭✭✭Dodge


    Reasonable to who? The seller may have said ‘don’t accept any bids under X’ and that’s all that matters really. They, and their agent, are in charge here and don’t have to accept your offer or your definition of reasonable.

    Even if you offer 10k over the price, they don’t have to accept it. It’s completely at their discretion as to what bids they accept. In the real world it’s likely they would but having your lower bid recorded serves absolutely no purpose so I’m not sure why you’d push them on this



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,823 ✭✭✭Allinall


    That depends if you think the asking price is reasonable in today's market.



  • Registered Users Posts: 73 ✭✭nf2k


    That's my query. Is there a legal requirement to report all offers?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,308 ✭✭✭✭Dodge


    No. There’s no requirement at all. Some sellers want to be kept informed of everything. Others don’t.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,911 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    It doesn't matter what you think is reasonable, all that matters is what the seller is willing to entertain.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 122 ✭✭LunaLoo


    In current market anything under asking isn't going to be entertained. Estate agents favourite game is to put asking price way under what they know it will sell for to get people interested. If you want to be taken serious as a bidder understand the market and bid accordingly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,729 ✭✭✭ec18


    What difference does it make to you? if the seller has told the estate agent not to accept any offers below asking or X, what difference will having it formally recorded have?


    trying to force them to record your ( invalid ) bid is just going to ignore them and potentially sour you being considered a serious bidder on this property or another on the agents books



  • Registered Users Posts: 73 ✭✭nf2k


    This is what I wanted to know. Thanks all for the replies.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,167 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    The phrase 'asking price' is comically inaccurate these days. If you offered the price they were asking, they still wouldn't say yes...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,100 ✭✭✭Browney7


    And other agents put up properties with an "asking price" of what they hope to get which may be very aspirational and would consider sums below the "asking". Different tactics by agent. If you're watching a market you can usually suss which agents price keenly to trigger bidding wars and which agents price high.

    OP should make their offer and ask to be kept updated of any further offers and keep looking elsewhere and not get het up on the legalese of agents forwarding offers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83,416 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
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    Send a letter to the owner of the home telling them about your offer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 807 ✭✭✭CreadanLady


    It is a private sale of a piece of private property. They can essentially do whatever they want. They don't owe you anything, they don't have to be transparent, nor have to explain themselves to you. They don't even have to pick up the phone to you if they don't feel like it.

    If it was a public tender for a public service or a piece of property owned by a public body, it would be very different.

    The MFV Creadan Lady is a mussel dredger from Dunmore East.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    That is interesting, never seen an EA price a property higher in the hope of achieving it. Seems counter productive as price rises are usually driven by having as many bidders as possible rather than hoping for one bid at asking. But hey ho, maybe they do things differently near you.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,167 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    It is a private sale of a piece of private property. They can essentially do whatever they want.

    True, but it also wouldn't hurt for the EA to say 'thank you for your bid, we will register it but the seller wants more'.



  • Administrators Posts: 54,090 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    What's the point though? There's a 0% chance the bid will be accepted, surely it's better to be up front and clear with the bidder so they can either bid higher or move on to another house if they don't feel this one is worth it.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,167 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    It's essentially the same thing though. Saying 'we will register it but the seller wants more' is essentially meaningless but just being polite.



  • Posts: 8,856 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Unless the asking price is outlandish even in current market conditions, then there’s probably no point- what do you expect will happen? Even as we speak, the seller is likely getting offers at or above their asking price- your under bidding offer will be long forgotten- provide an asking price offer and you’ll be kept abreast on progress of bidding - otherwise you’ll be considered a tyre kicker - if the seller says “ in excess of” then they’re not interested in bids under asking price



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,100 ✭✭✭Browney7


    It's possibly a function of the market where I am - lots of identical apartments and houses with plenty turnover so the market price is readily obtainable off the PPR. I expect the psychology is that both parties know the "market value" and the seller is trying to cajole a few more quid out of the buyer (ie shame them into going say 95% of the "asking" which may be 5% more than recent sales). I've noticed that the agent who's first name rhymes with a fruit tend to have higher askings than the smaller or local agents around me anyway.

    Or else some agent's business model is tell the vendor a large market value to get the listing in the first place. I'd expect at the lower end of the market, agents price the properties keen to capitalise on market FOMO of buyers in that market segment.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 990 ✭✭✭Fred Cryton


    You are assuming the "asking" is some correct figure...it is literally made up based on what the EA and the seller think they can get away with.

    Offer whatever the property is actually worth, which may be substantially less than the asking price.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Do you not think “actual worth” in advance of sale price is as subjective as the asking price? Or do you think what a bidder thinks it should be worth equates to the actual worth?

    I would have thought that the price it actually sells for the the “worth” the market puts on a property.



  • Subscribers Posts: 41,830 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    the value of a property ie "what its worth" is the amount someone is willing to pay for it.

    if the seller wants to get the asking price, and a purchaser thinks its too high, then the purchaser doesnt purchase at that time.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Regional North West Moderators Posts: 12,328 Mod ✭✭✭✭miamee


    If it has been on the market for a while a bid slightly under the asking price might be accepted. We bought a house in February this last year, sale agreed in November. We went to see it although the asking price was above what we wanted to spend, I had a chat with the guy showing it, I knew it'd been on the market a while - since Aug. Asked about other offers, none at the time just one previous that was refused. That one was for €29k below asking. So we figured we'd improve on that and put in a bid at €19k below asking and it was accepted. We actually though it would be turned down but would get an idea of what they might accept but the vendors were happy with that.

    Needless to say this was not in Dublin or in any big city so may not apply here at all. How many offers they have had or how many interested parties is important I think.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,601 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    You see properties on sale for many years who won't drop their price.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,676 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    You do. But there's no harm in asking. The properties that have been on the market for a fair while are the ones more likely to be open to dropping their price. No guarantee that they will, but a much better chance that if the property has only just started to be marketed.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,601 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    The reason they are on the market for years is exactly because they won't drop their price.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭waterwelly


    Unless there are already offers above it then its a perfectly reasonable starting price.

    If the house is on for €450k and somebody offers €440k and its the highest bid, what is the issue?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,308 ✭✭✭✭Dodge


    Getting into a general ‘price of stuff’ argument here I’d suggest.

    It’s simple enough though. Seller/agent can ask for whatever they want, and can choose to accept/refuse any bids they like. They’re not obliged to accept any bids and can choose to sell it to whoever they like



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,601 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    I've noticed some people can be very stubborn on price. You see stuff over priced sit for years and years.

    Always curious why



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,823 ✭✭✭Allinall


    Generally people who are not in a rush to sell/ don’t need the cash.

    They set a price they would be happy to sell at, and if it sells it sells.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,367 ✭✭✭JimmyVik


    It makes no difference really. Your bid has been recorded anyway. Its not like it didnt exist. Its just too low to bother with.

    If it happened that there were no higher bids the EA would most probably say to the vendor that they did receive an offer of x, but you told us that was too low. maybe you want to consider it in light of no higher bids.

    But any higher bids come in and yours would just be thrown in the bin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,211 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    Why would there be a lot of downarrows on the price tracker of myhome.ie? Mistakes by the seller? If you go to page three on the list, at least for me, currently every single advertised price has been reduced relative to where it was at some point.



    Your argument is silly. If it were true, then if I was selling a property and the EA told me it would make 400k, I'd just tell him to put it on at 500k because some eejit would assume it is "worth" that because it is priced at that


    (Direct link for page 3 of results https://myhome.ie/pricechanges/page-3 ...,. I assume it gets updated fairly regularly though )



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,211 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    OP, the seller can sell to whom he likes. Even if you offer more, they can decide to sell to a lower bidder for whatever reason they want to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,427 ✭✭✭✭Marcusm


    Different perspective at different points in time. If you go back 20 years or do in Ireland (Dublin especially), a private treaty asking price would generally have been to in excess of what the property was expected to sell for whereas an advertised price for an auction was generally below the expected price. When I bought in Dublin 6 years ago the asking prices were generally above realistic selling prices reflected in the 50k reduction I got BA the asking price. Only one property of 20 I seriously looked at sold in excess of asking (and 30% over at that).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 132 ✭✭AySeeDoubleYeh


    To call this unreasonable without literally any context is absurd. Even in the current market i know people who are sale agreed for very small % above asking - and that's final bid, not opening.

    I doubt the 8 people that liked this comment are buyers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,601 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Its not that its unreasonable. Its that its unrealistic.

    EA's sometimes (often?) put up unrealistically low price to drive interest and get people emotionally involved. Once its in your head, people often let the dream get ahead of their sensible budget. If you come in under their false floor, you won't be taken seriously. The real starting point is probably 10% higher.

    I'm sure someone will have an example where they got somewhere for half nothing by bidding low.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,308 ✭✭✭✭Dodge


    We bid asking price for our house last year and finalised the sale in January.

    But it doesn’t matter a jot to how other houses sell. The vendor and estate agent are within their rights to not accept any bid so that’s all the matters

    As mentioned above, there’s no finite ‘value’ on any house. The market decides the price



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,873 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    Afaik a licensed EA has to record any offer they receive, Name & Contact details, Method of offer and who received it, date & time, amount plus any conditions.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,414 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    An agent is not a principal, they act on the instructions of their client and one of the reasons for hiring an agent is so you don’t have to deal with time wasters So when you tell agent that you won’t accept a price under 400k, then you don’t want to hear from him until he has an offer over 400k.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,414 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    Your idea of a reasonable starting point is not that of the sellers so why should they even want to know about you?



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