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Law & Order Broken Down

  • 18-04-2022 9:01am
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,298 ✭✭✭Quitelife


    Another morning, more reports in the media of people attacked and beaten , English tourist in Dublin this time, man killed outside Limerick railway station the previous day, Some other attack in Donegal, Who or whats s to blame??

    Judges who are constantly giving scumm chance after chance?

    Free legal Aid solicitors who would tell you the Yorkshire Ripper is not a bad guy?

    Cocaine which has turned bad enough types into Wannabe Conor McGregors every night

    Too Few Guards and Prison cells?

    Traditional criminal families outbreeding law abiding families hand over fist.

    Post edited by HildaOgdenx on


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,992 ✭✭✭Mongfinder General


    This is nothing new. The difference is that a lot of crime is being caught on camera nowadays and some crimes get more media attention than others. It is probably much worse than we imagine.

    I remember a period in the late 90’s in Dublin when almost every weekend it seemed like someone was having the bollox bet out of them. An abundance of cash and drugs feed this type of behaviour. As well as a judiciary who couldn’t give a toss.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,087 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    OP be like:




  • Posts: 864 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Is Mariska Hargitay in this series?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭sam t smith


    Richard Littlejohn has his finger on the pulse, as always.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 648 ✭✭✭MakersMark


    As long as the Layabouts Before People brigade continue to provide free dole and houses for dirtbags, this will be our way of life.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    Whinge whinge whinge season 568



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,962 ✭✭✭Dr Turk Turkelton


    Am I reading this wrong or are you relating people voicing their concerns on scum getting off far too lightly by law enforcement and judges to whinging?



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    Yes, there are multiple active threads on this topic already. Always the same content which consists of nothing but whinging.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,962 ✭✭✭Dr Turk Turkelton


    And the unfortunate thing is that each new thread is about the scum breaking the law and getting away with it due to the soft law and order we have in this country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,299 ✭✭✭SCOOP 64


    just seen the guy who attacked the English tourists on the news, one still critical, he didn't seem a bit bother seem happy to be on the news.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,739 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    Just the first ep, it's like a crossover / pilot eposode



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭sam t smith


    You seem to be in the know re this new series. Any truth to the rumour that she gets her kit off in the pilot episode? Full frontal?



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    Thankfully people can still emigrate if they think they found a place that deals with crime in a more efficient way.



  • Registered Users Posts: 26 Integritate


    Saw that too. Very odd. He looked chuffed. Possibly because he was out on the street after committing 2 terrible crimes, and received free legal aid and a Romanian translator for future court appearances.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83,407 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    M


    Attacker is originally from Romania, only 18, looks like they are sending their finest here. The next hearing they want to have an interpretar present.

    Following a request made by his solicitor Stephen O'Mahony, a Romanian interpreter will be present at Mr Bornac's next court appearance.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/regional/2022/0418/1292943-dublin-assault-court/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭sam t smith


    ^ Free legal aid request incoming.

    Edit: Already granted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,021 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    I saw that on VMN, what's more alarming is he got Bail and of course Free legal Aid. With one of the victims in critical condition and two assault charges, I was astonished he got bail, beggar's belief.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,123 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Given he is a non national he should be detained in custody as a flight risk.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,021 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Apparently he had to hand in his passport, it's just extraordinary notwithstanding recent horrific incidents and minister for Justice, yet again promising action bail was granted with a victim in critical condition.

    The sight of this individual along with 2 friends walking out of the court with not a care in the world was galling 😳

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,021 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    It was like a fashion shoot, he looked like he was heading out socialising, the arrogance was breathtaking

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,298 ✭✭✭Quitelife


    another criminal laughing at the Irish judicial system!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,278 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke


    We've known for ages that we need more Gardai and more prison spaces, but we badly need judicial oversight now. That's crazy that he was allowed out on bail. And it was probably a couple of hundred quid bail too. For leaving a victim in critical condition, the bail should be minimum of €500k. That judge should be fired imo. Infuriating madness. Glad I left this behind.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83,407 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    M



    The clothes he was wearing today leaving court were worth more than that, it's madness.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭touts


    The Irish Justice Industry (let's be honest it is an industry rather than a system at this point) is fundamentally set up to keep violent offenders on the street. Someone with 100 convictions is a cash cow. Let's say the various legal fees etc per case comes to 20,000 per case. Between all the solicitors, barristers, clerks etc etc on both sides that'll be in the ball park per case. 100 convictions means one scroate criminal makes €2 million for the justice industry. That's a lot of BMWs and Michelin starred meals. So of course they will be financially invested in keeping the scroate on the street committing crimes.

    We need to take sentencing out of the control of the justice industry. Say after 5 convictions there needs to be legislation to make sure the scroate has to serve the maximum sentence for the crime. No reduced sentences. No suspended sentences. Nearly release. Don't let the judge have any ability to send the scroate out on the street early to earn more money for their solicitor and barrister mates.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,374 ✭✭✭mikethecop


    imagine bein this much of a scumbag

    Christopher Johnson (45) accused of breaking into Ukrainian refugees’ car after they fled war-torn country for Ireland - Independent.ie

    45 years old and creaping around the streets tooking like this ,

    breaking into a UA reg car full of stuff an stealing from people who are obviously refugees and still deciding to deprve them of what ittle they saved

    in reality this person isnt worth keeping alive with free housing dole medical care , as a nation we really can do with out him and his kind .

    your elected reps think we want to support and sustain his kind ? do we really ? do we have to ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭sam t smith


    ^ Either that is a very unfortunate shadow or he has pissed himself. Piece of sh*, regardless.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,413 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    I feel bad for any potential off spring, what hope do they have in life?



  • Registered Users Posts: 163 ✭✭Beatty69


    And the Gucci top on him. Jesus, you would lose all patience.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,841 ✭✭✭buried


    The law racket business is booming.

    Look at these pictures from the last few days, all these gadges literally walking back out onto the street to do the exact same thing again and again and again. While the "Minister for Justice" is nowhere to be seen, found or heard until a time of her own choosing.

    The authorities are literally laughing at everybody with this craic. This is what you get.

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭sam t smith


    The fashion police should have re-arrested him upon release.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,172 ✭✭✭screamer


    There’s an awful lot of violence lately but such is the world we live in. Look, we’ve no idea if the people accused will be found innocent or guilty, not everyone who commits violent offences are scummers, not every scummer is violent. I think it’s just that there’s an awful unleashing of society now that covid has receded. More people out drinking/ drugging and socialising - more fights. More people out driving and travelling about- more road deaths. It’s cause and effect in action.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,278 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke


    I don't know what you're on about screamer, but it's been like this since I joined AGS back around 2007, continued throughout my time until I quit 10 years later, and is still continuing to this day. It won't, and can't, change because there's no proper will for it. Too many people involved are making too much money off the back of crime, and only the victims are left wanting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,485 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1




  • Registered Users Posts: 9,841 ✭✭✭buried


    Next election everybody should just calmly say to whatever potential election candidate that comes to their door, that they want to see the system of 'free legal aid' granted to a citizen of the state only once, after that, the suspect/criminal/barrister has to fend for themselves. Tell the potential election candidate that you will only vote for whatever candidate/political party will introduce this into their actual manifesto. Just give it a go. Might take 8-10 years but its better than the current scenario where we are blindly allowing this racket to continue and the racket just laughs in our faces.

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,278 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke


    We can't do that unfortunately. Everyone is entitled to legal representation. The only solution I can see to this is to have a state solicitors for public defence that takes these cases. They're salaried and only take these cases, so no multiple legal aid bills.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,841 ✭✭✭buried


    Yeah I hear you P, but we as a people need to start making it an issue that generates some sort of noise within the political racket. Even if within reality it is currently unworkable, the citizenry need to start making it a real issue that will try to actual benefit the wider society as a whole. This current scenario where this craic continuously happens and the only winners are the law firms/TV newspaper/TVmedia. While us the citizens, including the Gaurds/Emergency services, are the continuous widespread losers, this needs to stop. We have to do something.

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    Ireland's population is on the constant increase and as a result so will the crime rates, but its still a relatively safe country to live in



  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You want to take sentencing away from the judiciary?

    Who do you think would be better?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,512 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    That may be so but it doesn't follow that we should just shrug our shoulders, leave it fester and store up more problems. A country is relatively safe until it isn't.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭touts


    The judiciary already have limited discretion on what sentence they award (and these days award seems to be the best description). Legislation related to a crime usually sets the maximum sentence and/or fine. The problem is the judiciary get in there and utterly undermine those maximum sentences by granting time off for every possible excuse so that the habitual criminal is free as soon as possible in order to commit more crimes and therefore generate more income for the members of the criminal justice industry. The answer is to take that discretion away from the judiciary and the criminal justice industry. For a clearly un-reformable criminal after 5 convictions then judges should be there only to make sure the law is applied correctly during the case. But on sentencing the criminal should get and serve the maximum sentence for the crime as set down in the legislation without possibility for early release, time off for good behaviour, compassionate grounds, etc, etc, etc, etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,298 ✭✭✭Quitelife


    People who commit serious crime go to jail!!...not that difficult.

    Serious Crime would include burglaries of elderly people , Assaults on people that end up in hospital...those in possession of drugs over 10K....

    Give law abiding people some protection



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,278 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke


    Problem is, there's nowhere to put them, and no one wants to spend money on building, staffing and maintaining another prison.

    Re: the reduced sentencing, this was brought in in an effort to reduce the number of cases going to hearing, thus taking up more time of the court. If someone admits to guilt without having to go to hearing, they get a reduced sentence as a result, a kind of carrot on a stick to prevent you wasting time. Nowadays though, it is used to suspend sentences rather than reduce.

    I also HATE that sentences can run concurrently, that should not exist. It should be consecutive every separate interaction.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,931 ✭✭✭Sultan of Bling


    Maybe bring in minimum sentencing instead of maximum.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,512 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    What you suggest is do nothing. Shur twill be grand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    ^^^^^^^

    do i?? and where do i say that??



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,841 ✭✭✭buried


    Something has to be done. The media needs to be held accountable too. You have $hitrag tabloid newspapers over here that are basically British media fronts that glamourize any sort of extreme criminal element to the hilt, makes these criminals literal celebrities in the eyes of the people who buy their disgraceful tabloid $hitrags. Win win for the people who want to see our Irish society in the gutter and the leeches in the justice racket who feed off it. Time to start calling it out for what it is, all of it.

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,526 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    These stories about the victims in these cases leaves me breathless in anger. I really cannot believe that we as a country have these embarrassments to the human race out there committing crimes on our own streets. While the victims, who were out there to just mind their own business, are left trying to continue to deal with the emotional turmoil of their own situation.

    I really cannot understand, living in 21st century Ireland, why have we become so cruel & heartless towards other innocent people in this day and age while they try to recover from going through this mentally destructive horsesh1t.

    It's utterly brainless behaviour at this point.

    Do people, who take part in this stuff, not have a moral compass in them anymore while they commit these crimes to their potential victims on a day to day basis.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,298 ✭✭✭Quitelife


    The Criminal families are outbreeding the law abiding families all over the country.

    Doesn't matter these days whether your in Dublin North inner city or Abbeyfeale Co Limerick or Tuam Co Galway criminals and their drug addict runners control the communities.



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