Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

16-04-2022 02:22PM

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Hi new poster, do you have a link to that interview?

Ginger83 · 16-04-2022 02:41PM

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We supported what we could with regards to financial donations and local collections etc but I have to agree with your thinking. A person may want to offer a room in their home but what happens after a month or two if it doesn't work out? How will you get someone to leave with nowhere to go and how would it make you look?

Councils are already telling their tenants to overhold because they have nowhere to put them

avfc1874 · 16-04-2022 04:07PM

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As long as we get a pat on the head and everyone thinks we are great that's all that matters 🙄😁

bertiebomber · 16-04-2022 04:09PM

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the tragic Irish governments need to be liked is proving to be a very bad addiction for tis country. We are like piddling puppies rolling over and saying yes to everything even when its bad for our country. How can we get those f*ucking clowns out with their permanent virtue signalling its beyond a joke now.

16-04-2022 05:02PM

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It’s more apartments we need. Not houses. And an end to single occupancy in 3 bedroom social houses.

Wanderer78 · 16-04-2022 05:10PM

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we actually need a combination of different accommodation types, from apartments to houses, and various types of those also. what should we do with these individuals that currently occupy buildings that can accommodate more?

16-04-2022 05:22PM

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Single units/apartments should be included in planning to free up larger properties for families.

avfc1874 · 16-04-2022 06:49PM

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I look at it like this.. if you had say 12 family members traveling here for a week for eg a wedding and a 3 bedroom house with 2 kids, you know that you can't put up all 12 comfortably, maybe 3 or 4, so you would only invite who you have the space for.

Inviting everyone and only then realizing that you do not having the space for everyone to have a comfortable stay just because you don't want to turn people away doesn't work.

Everyone ends up misserable guests and family.

iamwhoiam · 16-04-2022 07:04PM

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Wedding guests are not fleeing from a war , not fleeing from a vicious aggressor who might kill them or rape them or starve them

This is a humanitarian emergency to help people escape a tragedy so things are less black and white but more urgent

Gatling · 16-04-2022 07:11PM

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Does that include young males from Kashmir claiming to be in their 60's or as seen in the UK elsewhere in the EU grown Men with Beards declaring themselves unaccompanied minors !!!

avfc1874 · 16-04-2022 07:12PM

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You know that was an analogy.

Inviting people to stay and then not having the places for them to stay comfortably is not fair on them.

iamwhoiam · 16-04-2022 07:14PM

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No

iamwhoiam · 16-04-2022 07:18PM

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Isnt it better than a dark basement with no power or water though ?

16-04-2022 07:30PM

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They are not coming directly here from a Ukraine warzone. I imagine they are planning the best country to go to from a neighbouring country like Poland. If they end up in a tent in a country with a colder climate, I dont think they would be happy about that and nor would the Irish.

iamwhoiam · 16-04-2022 07:33PM

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They may not be on a direct flight but they are coming from war zones . Read posts on Facebook , these women are fleeing with little kids to get to safety .

I knew two women well who escaped from Berlin before the Russians arrived . They slept in hay barns and were just glad to have it to protect thier children . War is a horrendous thing and sometimes we have to quite simply give them shelter however we can

avfc1874 · 16-04-2022 07:36PM

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I reckon whatever I say, you'll find criticism with,

yes it may be safer for them to sleep on our streets as they are not being bombed here. But if we are telling everyone that we can accommodate everyone when we in reality we can't are we not just bullshiting everyone so we'll feel good

iamwhoiam · 16-04-2022 07:41PM

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So who should take them ? I am not criticising nor are you , its a discussion with two different opinions ?I wasn’t intentionally critical but simply of a different opinion

Poland cant feed millions for any lenght of time we must all take these people out of danger

Luxembourgo · 16-04-2022 07:44PM

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Move them to single bed apartments, or a suitable alternative

Beasty · 16-04-2022 07:53PM

I think one of the big issues Ireland faces is it's the largest EU member with English as a main language. With the red tape/barriers being put up in the UK a lot of people looking to benefit from the EU (not Irish) policy of allowing all refugees from this conflict entry into the EU for up to 3 years Ireland will attract more interest from some refugees than some other EU members. Family members may have some understanding of, or desire to learn, English

Having said that though my understanding was there is supposed to be a sharing of the burdens of accommodating refugees across the whole of the EU. I thought that we were only committed to taking a proportion of refugees. Equally I suspect that a number of countries in the immediate vicinity of Ukraine (with Poland being the major one) will end up bearing the greatest burden

16-04-2022 07:55PM

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I suspect the Irish will be more accepting of that when they see the cost of the alternatives....

avfc1874 · 16-04-2022 07:59PM

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Not critizing you, and it's good to have a debate with different views..

I agree we should help, but as a country we always seem to talk big and not follow through on our promises,

Putting people in tents and gaa halls okay for a month or so but this could be long term

iamwhoiam · 16-04-2022 08:04PM

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I agree with that but we have to start somewhere and get them to safety

bertiebomber · 16-04-2022 08:12PM

about 60% of Ukraine is not being bombed or at war over in the west of the country they are even planting the seeds for sunflowers & wheat. I am puzzled as to why they are not moving in that direction at all? Its strange they prefer to travel to the unknown 4000 miles away. What is the real issue are the refugees actually the Russians from the Donbass area who dont want to live in either Russia or be bullied by the asovs in the Ukraine. That i believe is the 64 dollar question. Russians who were living in the East ( under certain duress from the militants there ) prefer to leg it to us.

Beasty · 16-04-2022 08:50PM

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There are some 10m displaced within Ukraine and nearly 5m have left the country. They are moving in that direction

Breifne Blue · 16-04-2022 08:58PM

I don't think our GPs, mental health or Hospitals will cope with this. They are at breaking point, there is a lot of negligence happening in those areas now due to strain, Covid etc.

The mental health services are swamped and there is no service in most cases. Hospitals many are in disarray.

Also tourism is in trouble due to Hotels and BnBs being block booked. Not too mention housing crisis which is insane. And there is an increase in violent crime.

How many have came in already 40k? Anyone any idea how many will come in been said 200k?

You have to remember that's on top of of tens of thousands of other asylum seekers and economic migrants. Now the DP is going that's another pull factor.

This has slow moving disaster written all over it.

Beasty · 16-04-2022 09:13PM

Last time they provided figures was as few days ago when there were over 22k in Ireland. They have been saying up to 40k by the end of the month. The 200k figure was always expressed as a worst case scenario. I would guess we will eventually see over 50k, and possibly up to 100k, depending on how things continue to go in Ukraine

16-04-2022 09:30PM

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Either case would still be an enormous influx of people with huge costs attached. The 200k was citied so that people would find it easier to accept a "smaller" number.

I suspect we'll see between the 50-70k mark.. and at least half of them will want to stay here after the conflict has ended, with family reunification in Ireland thereafter, bringing up the numbers by another impossible to guess number.

Beasty · 16-04-2022 09:41PM

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Given the extent of destroyed property in Ukraine I can see a lot wanting to stay for an extended period. If the menfolk come over then once/if Irish the housing crisis is overcome (and this war will arguably result in a lot more attention given to resolving it) there is a fair chance it will bring benefits to the Irish economy over the medium to long term. Indeed I suspect the age profile in the country will probably reduce leaving a stronger workforce to help pay our pensions when other countries have populations that are aging a lot faster. I suspect the short sightedness of the UK on immigration will eventually result in a row-back of restrictions or an increasing welfare burden as the population ages