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Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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  • Site Banned Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭political analyst


    My point?! I asked a question! Anyway, it has been answered.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,343 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    I think it might be to promote that it is live as a sort of USP.

    A bit like the tag Sky are using in their advertising ie. "It's Only Live Once" .

    But I could be wrong, I'm no GAA fan.



  • Site Banned Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭political analyst


    I'm no fan either! You've made an interesting point. It's just that I find the difference between references to the Gaelic national league (Allianz) games and to the Gaelic championship games slightly annoying, that's all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,752 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    No that is a general way of stating when someone has a problem with their argument, I have no problem with any RTÉ personalities really, I have issue with the management of RTÉ and the content that RTÉ provide.

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,343 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Sorry if I took you up wrong when you said -

    The problem you have with George Lee is that he clearly has a political slant and he clearly shows that slant, he did that during his time as Economics Editor and went further by then joining and winning a seat for the main opposition party. RTÉ must be above party politics and must insure that their reports and correspondents know how to put their own views to one side when interviewing their opposite or those that they agree with, if they should monitor this on a weekly basis.

    You didn't mean I personally have a problem with GL which of course I don't.

    Glad we cleared that up.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,752 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Just so I am clear.

    My problem is that we see to forget about the bad management of RTÉ and its lack of content and how you (as in the general you as in anybody) can divert the discussion away from how absolutely badly run it is as a company.

    I mean have they in any way achieved Strategy 2024?

    Happy to be proven wrong. :)

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,343 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    This thread attracts a lot of different subjects and opinions about many aspects of RTE.

    I only engage in a fraction of them.

    The discussion was about GL and mostly focused on his presenting style and career trajectory.

    I didn't mean any of my posts to be a diversion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,752 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    not just you but all posters and it very easy to get bogged down in the content and the presenters at RTÉ.

    RTÉ's "star" wages IMO are not the fault of the 10 people that command those wages but the fault of Management at RTÉ who believe that they deserve them.

    They way in which George Lee exited RTÉ for politics and re-entered RTÉ was badly managed by RTÉ, I don't see fault with GL.

    They way in which RTÉ choose to cut funding to RTÉjr and LyricFM while pretending that the cared about these services was a mockery of how bad run the service is, all the while funding 2FM and increasing funds to 2FM.

    The whole raison d'etre of RTÉ strategy is to play it poor while spending '000 on unnecessary expenses.

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,343 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    I don't consider myself "bogged down" at all but if it's your opinion that I am you are entitled to it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,752 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    You seem to think every message that I write is aimed directly at you, even said "not just you".

    But I am happy to debate RTÉ financial situation and how they are funded and how they are managed. (with you .... or with anyone else).

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,343 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    OK let's put the last few exchanges between us down to misunderstanding and leave it at that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,752 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    No problem

    So to avoid getting "bogged down" but just to point out the bad management of RTÉ one of their presenters had a telling interview on an off the cuff remark and TBH I agree with the presenter that you should take a nap at some point during the day. But...

    The presenter lives in Galway and works in Cork. They have a family and even if they didn't they would have a life, but unless they spend Monday to Thursday in Cork (which gives them little time with their family) and unless they leave Galway at 7:30 to get to Cork by 9 and then leave Cork at 5:30 to get home by 8pm they still have little time with their family, meaning that they really only start to leave Galway for Cork after 9am, giving them some time with family on school run etc.

    This just runs into the idea that Presenters just appear for their shows and go home. IMO why have a show from cork with presenters from Galway and Dublin?

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,752 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,752 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    In fairness to Dee her predecessors also didn't know about the fact that their sports departments bought the rights to the WC, Euros, RWC and the Olympic games, and in fairness to them who knows, who (I want a reference), that these events happen every 4 years or so?

    As for General elections, we've generally had stable governments, even when they are not that stable, since 1992

    1992, 1997, 2002, 2007, 2011, 2016, 2020, in 30 years of elections only twice did a government leave office early, and with that they only left office 1 year ahead of schedule.

    I am sure the news department aren't aware that the Euro and local elections will take place in 2024, may Dee might forewarn her successor! And lets hope nothing happens in August.

    Also anyone else notice that the Six One News now returns 3 days after a BH.

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    Nothjng can be done with 2Fm, it should have been closed 10 years ago if not longer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,752 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Here's some more about RTÉ and but now from their head of sport. Mods I know I shouldn't give them so much say but they are asking for it

    https://www.rte.ie/eile/2022/0404/1290243-declan-mcbennett-on-why-public-media-matters/

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,786 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly




  • Posts: 4,238 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    And that’s why self justification is the same as fiddling whist Rome burnt



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,751 ✭✭✭golondrinas





  • Site Banned Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭political analyst




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,786 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    They are all carefully crafted puff pieces directed at the government to get more money/raise the licence fee/charge non consumers

    10 years ago they were cutting the sports budget

    Coverage of major sports events now in jeopardy - Independent.ie



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,752 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    IMO RTÉ should not use their news site as a PR service for RTÉ, they have an about section.

    I am surprised that the McBennett piece didn't suggest that these sporting events were in some way special events that managers in RTÉ don't know about 4 years in advance.

    He doesn't once mention the move of main sporting events to RTÉ ONE, as planned in Strategy 2024.

    RTÉ pay lip service to most women sports only coming to it late in the day (They had the rights to Women's WC in 2015 but failed to air it), RTÉ2 is nothing without sport but in their announcement of the games they only once mention RTÉ2, and I ask you to find where they mentioned it, https://about.rte.ie/2022/04/13/nothing-sounds-quite-like-the-gaa-championships-on-rte/

    They never mention the problems that exist with RTÉ2, RTÉ2fm or their treatment of Lyric FM or that of Children's content.

    It is always look at the good things we do... we aren't above criticism but lets not mention the real criticism that is there either for Sport or for other content.

    Here's Jon Williams Head of News

    https://www.rte.ie/eile/2022/0404/1290241-jon-williams-on-why-public-media-matters/

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,173 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    Thank as cost of living increases get more pronounced the licence fee will have to be on the table



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,786 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Think there is very few, if any, in RTE that worry about the cost of living increases



  • Site Banned Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Actually, his article is not on the RTÉ News site but in a section of RTÉ's general site called 'RTÉ Eile' - and it's the same with Williams's article. Regarding the 2015 Women's WC (I assume you're referring to rugby), RTÉ Sport may have thought (and I'm not saying that it's McBennett's view), "most Irish women who have any interest in rugby are probably more interested in the men's game anyway - and not just because of the sport itself. 😉 So why spend any of the licence fee on it?! Irishwomen in general might be less interested in women's rugby than Englishwomen are". It's a point-of-view that Kissinger would regard as 'realpolitik'. As for Strategy 2024, there are still 2 years to go!



  • Site Banned Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Do you not think they have the right to defend themselves against criticism?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,752 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Eile is a suggestion of a different point of view. No RTÉ exe as a different point of view on RTÉ.

    They had the rights through the EBU as they did in 2019, no referring to Soccer. Don't think EBU takes on the rights for Rugby.

    1 year 7months and 2 weeks, tell me other than the move of the NSO to the NCH* what other aspects of the Strategy have been in acted?

    *which was only down to the minster/government, and which took place this year even though it was given funding in the 2021 budget and they been given the go ahead in principle in 2018

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,752 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,752 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    They do but they are not actually defending themselves against criticism, and how could they as they are not listening.

    It is very difficult for RTÉ to admit for example that they begged for funding by suggesting publicly that they would close Lyric FM*, then in the Oireachtas they pretended to back pedal and say that the only decision made was to move Lyric FM to Dublin and Cork from Limerick. The Government and the Oireachtas then agreed to increase funding to RTÉ by €10million for 2021 only for RTÉ to cut funding to Lyric FM and increase funding to 2FM.

    *RTÉ cannot unilaterally close services, they must seek permission from the Department, which must carry out a review from which the minister can make a decision.

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



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  • Site Banned Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭political analyst


    It's as if they forgot that it would not be possible for them to close Lyric FM or any other of its services without ministerial permission.



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