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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    When this war is done, I want that creature and the hirsute goblin next to her to be grabbed by the ear and walked through Mariupol street by street. I want her to sit down and listen to to the women of Bucha. To see what became of Irpin with her own eyes.

    And then for her to come back to Brussels and Strasbourg and defend in front of the house what she has committed to record over the last two months.

    A pure distilled fascist apologist.



  • Posts: 7,681 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    That's one thing her and Moscow Mick won't do.

    They prefer to be feted as being the heroes of the hour.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,759 ✭✭✭Underground


    I still don't understand their motivation for their views on this, when you get right down to it is it just a hatred of all things American? Because we let the yanks refuel at Shannon Airport? That's a truly student union level of politics from two MEP's if so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    You have summed it up very well, it literally is a student union level of understanding of international politics. Surprised that they don't go around with Palestinian scarves, Che Guevera hats and IRA pins. There are echoes of it in some of the posters on here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,909 ✭✭✭Lillyfae


    Easy, it's to be re-elected by the gombeen conspiracy theorist constituents that lap this sh*t up. No other reason. Able to sound relatively convincing as a secondary school debater? Welcome to Irish politics, job for life! It's absolutely poisonous and there are so many of them at it, in Ireland and abroad. They just want the paycheck at the end of it, I can guarantee most of them believe nothing that comes out of their own mouths. Spreading hatred, anger etc etc amongst an intellectually weak audience does not concern them one iota as long as they can make money out of it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,438 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Echos?

    Some posters, from the usual crew, are exactly that!

    Apologists and stooges for murderers who commit war crimes. They will be along now later to say, sure it's all 'our' fault because we did some trade with them for a bit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Yeah, the backdoor attacks on the IFSC have been particularly illuminating on the lack of knowledge and understanding out there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,438 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Some people think it was Putin's own money that was stored there. ROFL

    Of course, the truth is a very different thing but idiots will always go with the same tired old idiot lines about anything complicated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Her side kick Mick has a bizarre approach as well, so it's not gender specific.


    It's toxic Trot politics as normal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    They are vocal but the politicians that Putin relies on are in the Chancellory in Berlin and the Bundestag.

    They are the quiet friends with real power and influence, not noise boxes.


    Quite a few in Govt in Austria, France, Italy, Netherlands.


    Wallace and Daly for all their poison politics can't fight sanctions or stop weapons to the Ukraine.


    Scholz is actively doing that.



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  • Posts: 4,060 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Tiny brains don't understand that the purpose of sanctioning oligarchs is to make them realise now that there is a personal cost to them for associating with and supporting Putin

    Any Russian government money held outside Russia or Russia friendly states is blocked



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    It is also amusing to note that many of them don't understand the purpose of sanctions.

    The purpose of sanctions is to hurt the country at the end of sanctions, not to destroy your own country and industry. That means sanctions must happen in concert with others. No point in imposing sanctions on Russia and having them take their business to the UK or France or Germany where sanctions are not happening. You might feel better but your own people will suffer, not Russia.

    That complete lack of understanding of geopolitics is seen in those proposing unilateral sanctions in relation to the IFSC as well as those arguing against NATO. That they come across as Putin-puppets consequently doesn't seem to bother them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,896 ✭✭✭Hoboo


    A tiny brain would actually believe that bullshit. You think the Russian government (and associates) didn't prepare for sanctions and just left themselves exposed? Seriously, you believe that?

    On another point, can you name one time, ever, that sanctions have worked and not just harmed the poorest people of the sanctioned country?



  • Posts: 742 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Over the past decade, the pair of them have mastered the art of garnering free publicity for themselves through performing a succession of high profile stunts. That fact that they consistently show Ireland in a very bad light doesn't appear to bother them in the slightest.

    When Italian voters wanted to elect a clown to the EU Parliament, they opted for La Cicciolina; a far classier candidate than our shabby pair of muppets.



  • Posts: 4,060 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I cannot name one time sanctions as severe as these were used

    Funny how you don't note how severe they are

    Oligarchs are limited to Russia ,syria and Eritrea and a few other places to spend...

    Not nice if you like a suite at the four seasons cap du ferat



  • Posts: 8,756 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Would love to see how they are polling in the constituencies.

    "Comrade Daly and Moscow Mick", yeah sounds about right



  • Posts: 7,681 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    They are now suing rté for something according to the indo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,325 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    boards.ie will likely be next!


    All negative publicity must be crushed! Putin shhhhhhhhhtyle, boy



  • Posts: 6,246 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Is clare daly,not doing essentially what john hume is regarded as a hero for in troubles


    Saying increased diplomacy and peace talks are only solution for an ongoing conflict.......


    It may be wrapped in silly dogma and sh1ttalk,and this conflict will need run its course,but they arent essentially wrong......the same papers,what cut hume to shreds during the late 80s/early 90s,are still upto same rethoric today



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,303 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,271 ✭✭✭MFPM


    Excellent. Hope they win, be nice to see some payback for some of the media agenda...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Unbelievable stuff.

    That is an odious comparison of two nutters to a statesman like John Hume.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,325 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    Perhaps the Ukrainian women being raped, or who were made to watch their kids being raped, by Russian invaders, should have been a bit more diplomatic?

    Same as the citizens out on their bikes who were executed. The pensioners in nursing homes who were executed.


    Maybe your man who got out of the car with his hands up but who was shot dead along with his wife maybe should have learned a little bit about the proper way to conduct peace talks?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,271 ✭✭✭MFPM


    You don't seem to be very familiar with normal democratic practices judging by that post, perhaps you're nearer to Putin than you'd care to admit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,325 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    Methinks you are mixing up the democratic process with legal rights. The Courts aren't runs as a democracy where randomers get to vote. You are thinking of Dancing with the Stars.


    Morto for ya



  • Posts: 6,246 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    While throwing out rethoric and condemning russian war crimes is a entirely valid


    How do you preceive this war to play out and eventually end,without diplomacy and peace talks?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,271 ✭✭✭MFPM


    In a democracy people have the right to hold the media to account and challenge alleged wrong doing through the courts by them. If you decide to 'think' try do so with some more clarity than you're demonstrating thus far.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,325 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    Diplomacy and peace talks are all well and good when there is a dispute between two parties. If yourself and a neighbour have a disagreement over a boundary fence.

    They are fu^k all use where the nighbour just wants to batter you for no good reason, and he is already standing over you with a baseball bat hitting you.


    The Russians tried to take the whole country. The Ukrainians thankfully were able to hold them off from many parts of it. If you want to get an idea of how the Russians would have behaved had they taken control of the entire country, you can just look at how they behaved in the area the did get control.

    Why do you think they would have behaved any differently had the Ukrainians lay down and let them walk in unopposed? That is what Daly was calling for.



    Russia will not negotiate unless a hard fight brings them to the table.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,325 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    Nope. Again, morto for ya.

    Democracies - of which there are various forms - broadly consist of people voting representatives into political positions. Those representatives pass laws in their respective legislature. There is a three-way separation of powers in the Irish context - Courts, Executive and Legislature. One is not allowed to directly impinge upon the other, except, again in the Irish context, certain pre-defined scenarios.

    The legislature could, should they wish, pass laws eliminating the tort of defamation (It was amended by statute a few years back btw) or even making it impossible to sue RTE for example. That does not mean you no longer have a democracy.

    C'mon, this is basic stuff. I'd advise you to start educating yourself.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,438 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Get the **** out of here with that talk.

    Equating John Hume with Clare Daly or Mick Wallace.

    You may as well say Daffy Duck is Seamus Heaney!



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