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Rugby, Do we need it?

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  • Posts: 6,246 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Offaly being a county so isolated,they dont even border a coastal county,outside of chasing their siblings in lust,dont normally partake in sport...


    nonetheless,one lad from tourneena (west waterford-gods country),was at golf this week,seemingly outta it now....not enough bogees maybe🤷‍♂️



    (This article is like they stuck it into a machine to produce as much nonsense corporate buzzwords as possible per paragraph....rogby goys will ❤ it)



  • Posts: 6,246 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    A fine side-step (with "good feet" perhaps😅),which unfortuneately deosnt detract from the main premise that it uses buzzwords to paper over low skill levels



    Its a bit like when the "kicker" (insert any of dozen different names) gets the ball after several "phases" (some tackles in close succession),and "lifts the seige" (kick ball down field and outta play again)...such nonsense would annoy anyone



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,457 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Offaly borders Galway. Laois doesn't border a county that touches the sea. Still can't decide if you're doing it deliberately or just clueless.



  • Posts: 6,246 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Indeed you are correct,hands up a bad mixup there😅



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 313 ✭✭NedsNotDead


    @[Deleted User] just let it go. OK you don't like Rugby and that's fine. I'm not a huge fan of it either. But just because we don't enjoy the sport doesn't invalidate other people enjoying it. Let's just live and let live



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  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 44,224 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat




  • Posts: 6,246 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I havnt invalidated anyones enjoyment,just dislike mindless hype and buzzwords around low skill levels,zero anyslis ever done of it or serious issues about it(irfu ban journalists,who dont toe the line)....dont understand why its never ending coverage on the tv compared to its playing population is just accepted



    Folk are free to enjoy it as they please,quite why some need to engage in really poor personal abuse for simply pointing out obvious nonsense, same people who then plead for live and let live is beyond me



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,659 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    thanks for acting like a normal human and not getting upset at other people enjoying something. i hope you get as much enjoyment out of wahtever sport/other interests you like as i do out of rugby

    low skill levels is subjective. i could say soccer involves little skill, doesn't mean im correct. some players and/or teams aren't as skilled as others, however teams like NZ and France in rugby union are incredibly highly skilled, as are Australia in rugby league.

    on your use of inverted commas, the first two instances are again incorrect. i'd suggest getting annoyed at the quality of the irish education system before getting annoyed at the game of rugby.

    you claim such 'nonsense' (note the correct use) would annoy anyone. it most certainly doesn't annoy me, unless it is a tactical mistake by the team im supporting of course, while i would argue most people would simply not care and continue living their lives without it causing them a second thought



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 313 ✭✭NedsNotDead


    @[Deleted User] Let's address some of the points.

    You mention hype. GAA is my main sport. During the Championship it gets a huge amount of coverage. But its a game mainly played only in Ireland and that's fine. It is what it is. But others could argue why the hype for a sport only associated with Ireland where we compete with no one internationally.

    Buzzwords. Most sports have Buzzwords to describe a particular skill. Nothing unique to Rugby.

    Low skill levels. I've played both Hurling and Gaelic Football. Hurling is a very skillful and technical sport. Gaelic Football much less so. I would argue that while Rugby is not near Hurlings level of skill it is slightly above the skill level of Gaelic Football

    I again say live and let live because sport is something that should be a cause people to rejoice and not something to cause division



  • Posts: 6,246 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    you claim such 'nonsense' (note the correct use) would annoy anyone. it most certainly doesn't annoy me, 

    you enjoy,this ever-ending nonsense buzzwords to paper over poor skill levels??


    Its a marketing dream,feed folk who dont know better (yous do,it seems),heap of rubbish and overhype relatively basic skill levels,to keep an unsustainable hype train going.....its like an inside joke,to take money off gullible bandwagoners



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  • Posts: 6,246 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Buzzwords in other sports,deosnt make it acceptable in them either,particularly when used to compensate for low skill levels (gaa/soccer usually perfer out-dated cliche nonsens like pat spillane dribbles out,mid organism from david clifford scoring a point for kerry)


    Rugby at same or above skill level as football🤣....when rugby supporters will openly acknowledge the majority of the players cant/dont kick the ball?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,659 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    i've already explained how your idea of the game not involving skill is untrue, if you dont understand that well then that isn't my problem

    sport in general is a marketing dream. if you think rugby is any better or worse than other sports, you simply are incorrect once again.


    as others have suggested, if you really believe it isnt a skilled game, show us all how well you'd get on if you actually went to your local club and tried it out. even better, lets all meet up and you can show us all how easy and unskilled tackling, rucking, mauling etc, are.............



  • Posts: 6,246 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Its a game of catch & throw....many cant even run with the ball ffs,no mind kick it


    If your needing to sell its main skill levels as occuring,when not in possession of the ball/rooting and tearing at the "breakdown" (looks like feeding pigs on uncles farm tbh,but im assured this is insurmontable skill,reserved only for rugby folk),


    would ya not stop and think like?....that rugby 7s(??- before el dud jumps in,buzzing with himself- dunno right term),looks to be someway watchable and ball moves at speed....but that never ending stuff served up at weekends,cant see it,unless like you said,the utter top top teams,which ireland and irfu simply isnt



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,659 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    'would ya not stop and think like?' would ya not stop and think like, that youre talking rubbish yourself no? 7s is grand but its basically a different sport at this stage. if you dont/cant understand the intricacies of rugby then grand, but to say it isnt skillful is just childish.

    to be honest, at this stage it just sounds like youre sour because some rugby player got off with someone you fancied when you were younger



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 313 ✭✭NedsNotDead


    How much kick passing do you see in a Gaelic football match these days. Not much as it's now a possession based game and the hand pass is used more often. And there isn't much skill in hand passing a ball.

    So as most GAA players wont/cant kick a ball by your logic that puts them on the same skill level as Rugby players



  • Posts: 6,246 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Mate,your pushing tackling/rucking and mauling as pinacle of skills to show it off on a training field,


    You cant honestly believe them to be highly technical skill levels,above reproach/reach of majority people??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,659 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    mate, you obviously haven't actually tried any of them........



  • Posts: 6,246 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Most gaa players can kick the ball,its taught at u8 level upwards,about different parts of foot to kick with,can yous say same for rugby?



    It is a valid critism of gaa,that it isnt kicked enough and "the mark" has cheapened a basic skill



  • Posts: 6,246 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    But none are beyond reach of people with average motor skills,with some basic enough skills training


    What sets your top players apart is pure size/physique,which are not,despite all hype thrown at it, skill levels



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,659 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    soccer, gaa etc are games that need more general skills and individual positions can be relatively similar. rugby is very position specific in terms of skills



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,659 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    not really true, like i said, actually try it out and see what happens. until then, let the people who actually know what they are talking about comment on this one

    true that size has become overly important at the professional level and things need to be done to change this, but bigger players can still be skillful. look at someone like nemani nadolo (not that you'll have heard of him) for example



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    why do virgin show champions league? why are gaa games on rte? why are any sports on tv full stop?

    those games you mentioned are on because they are teams representing our country. the U20s were doing it particularly successfully too

    The Champions League is on TV because soccer is a very popular sport.

    The GAA championship is on TV because football and hurling are very popular sports in Ireland.

    Women's rugby is on TV because it's tokenism of the highest order.

    The IRFU are even in a bit of a bind now when it comes to the women's game.

    They have been promoting it to show their inclusiveness but now that the players are looking for better conditions etc they are being told that there is no money for them, because in reality the women's game makes no revenue for the IRFU.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,030 ✭✭✭irelandrover


    I dont know what sports you like at this point but id guess none.

    A game of catch and throw, summing it up like this just makes you sound like an idiot.

    Soccer, a game of kick

    Gaelic, a game of catch and kick.

    Hurling, a game of catch and hit.

    Darts, a game of throw.

    Golf, a game of hit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 475 ✭✭PHG


    Hurling is not exactly rocket science (I played hurling and Rugby for years). To break it down a bit.

    • Takes minimal time to learn how to pick up a ball and hit a ball, same to learn how to pass correctly in rugby
    • You jump up in the air and catch a ball, same in both
    • Most players "drive the ball" up the field in hurling for territory and/or in the hope their player will get the ball. Similar to kicking for touch or a Garryowen
    • Not all players on a hurling team can shoot in play, high percentage of scores comes from the front 6 players. Most back in rugby can kick
    • There are specialist free takers in hurling for 65s and sideline cuts, sounds similar to a kicker and hooker to me
    • You run with a ball on a stick that has to be tapped off by a guy running beside you. Rugby you run in hand where a guy can tackle you

    I am struggling to see the huge differences in skill level here.

    As for only size, I am guessing you have been to a GAA match recently, most plays are now on the brink of or over 6ft (180cm). Very few players the size of what Jamesie O'Connor. Most of the top players of the last 25 years are nowhere near short and are big men, Dan Shanahan, Lar Corbett, Henry Shefflin are all 6ft or above. I think (open to correction) that the 2021 Hurling All Stars we 5'10 or above and they all have muscle, likely coming in over the 80/5kg mark (similar to back in rugby). So not sure where your size arguement is coming from.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,457 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Your attitude is similar to mine. I like some sports and other people like other sports. But for me, sport isn't just about the outcome of a game or a tournament. Its also about the community, the comradery of the supporters and then there is the game itself.

    I don't watch GAA and I know I don't appreciate the subtleties of the sports. But I acknowledge that GAA plays a hugely positive role in community in Ireland. It's the main stitching in the social fabric of Irish society. Best of luck to you and all those who follow it. I hope you get enjoyment and community and a brake from real life.

    Imagine the bitterness it would take to see other people enjoying themselves, causing no harm to anyone, and looking for reasons why they're wrong to enjoy themselves. I think the only way I could think like that, is if I was jealous that others could take joy from things.



  • Posts: 6,246 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Hurling with its 99 different skills/strikes.....is same as rugby in terms of skills and motor abilities required to play....can just see bundee aki dropping the rugby to replace joe canning for galway in hurling🤣🤣🤣



    Have a lie down there now lad



  • Posts: 6,246 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You cant honestly think grabbing someone circa waist height with both arms,who is trained to fall properly so not to injure emselves is skilful??


    I assume your taking the mick,calling the "maul" or "driving wedge" a display of personal excellance/skill/extra ordinary motor abilities....a display of good teamwork,perhaps,but skilful,im afraid not



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,422 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    "to be honest, at this stage it just sounds like youre sour because some rugby player got off with someone you fancied when you were younger"

    Blaaz admitted earlier in the thread that they were trying to get some people to like them and invite them to hangout and all those people were rugby fans. Thats why he/she watches rugby. So they can interact with the "cool kids". Its quite sad really.



  • Posts: 6,246 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Displaying basic social skills and showing rudimentry interest in what others in work,are into,is now regarded as sad😂😂😂


    No wonder internet is regarded as full of oddball loners and suicide is endemic in the country....congrats to the "team of us" rugby supporters,who shun social skills to call anyone who dare qs its poor skill levels, online as sad👏👏👏



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 313 ✭✭NedsNotDead


    @[Deleted User] nasty post and no need for it. You're bitterness towards Rugby is genuinely baffling. If you're not into the sport just ignore it



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