What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

Igotadose · 11-04-2022 02:28PM

There's a scandal a day, and #2xIMPOTUS isn't holding any political office. Now it seems, his Admin failed to report any of the gifts they received in 2020. Ridiculous. As the article says, either really stupid, or really corrupt. I think both.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-missing-gift-records-stupid-corrupt-b2055106.html

Government ethics experts say they are stunned after the US State Department said records are missing of the gifts Donald Trump received while he was president.

Overheal · 11-04-2022 02:34PM

Yeah i follow CREW on Twitter. 90% of Trump's corruption doesn't go worth mentioning just owing to sheer volume

everlast75 · 11-04-2022 02:36PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118911268#Comment_118911268

It was a ****ing grift from the get go. The whole campaign. When he found himself inside the WH, he discovered that the "norms" were not enforceable and as someone who flaunted rules all his life, he decided to level up on as much money as possible.

Whenever he was challenged, he put all legal and governmental blocks in the way.

His supporters will say that all politicians are corrupt, yada yada yada, in order to avoid criticising him but the dog in the street knows that he was an exceptionally corrupt, immoral huckster the likes of which we hopefully never see again.

The US had better put in place mechanisms to enforce these norms AND punish wrongdoers or else someone else with half a brain will come in and do far more damage.

Quin_Dub · 11-04-2022 02:40PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118911324#Comment_118911324

The US had better put in place mechanisms to enforce these norms AND punish wrongdoers or else someone else with half a brain will come in and do far more damage.

This is a really important point.

As awful as Trump was , his "agenda" was entirely self-serving and all about accumulating money for himself.

But , the next person could actually have an actual political agenda and do untold damage to the world if the US allow the lack of oversight and penalties that Trump exposed to happen again.

Penn · 11-04-2022 02:55PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118911361#Comment_118911361

Agreed. Too many of the "checks & balances" depend on the people involved to follow accepted norms. Too many of the investigations/punishments are subject to approval from groups of people who have too much of a vested interest in doing what benefits "their side", or who may even be somewhat implicated in the events themselves.

And the Dems have done nothing to address this while they could, which means if the GOP take the Senate in the mid-terms, they won't be able to do anything.

11-04-2022 03:30PM

So either Trump ran for office to be an evil white supremecaist nazi. Or he did it for the money because he was obviously short of a few bob. Which is it?

Both theories are utter baloney by the way.

He did it because he loves his country and was tired with seeing it being flushed down the toilet by establishment politicians from both parties.

Did he achieve everything he wanted? No.

Was his behaviour perfectly Presidential? No.

Did he make an honest effort to build the wall and get a handle on illegal immigration. Yes.

Was he treated as fairly by the media as they treated Obama or Biden? Absolutely not.

Overheal · 11-04-2022 03:33PM

Really butchering the use of the phrase Honest Effort lmao

everlast75 · 11-04-2022 03:36PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118911631#Comment_118911631

Care to address the calling of @Snake Plisken a "waspish spiteful personality"?

11-04-2022 03:57PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118911664#Comment_118911664

Where did I call that specific poster that? I think you'll find I said that the real waspish spiteful personalities are generally on the Left. Which I tend to believe. In the old days, when I was a liberal leftie, I took a caricatured view of the right or US Republicans as being evil, racist gun-toting religious nutters. Back then I thought I was one of the good guys.

However with experience of the world, better knowledge of history and a genuine curiosity, I now see it slightly differently. I think of the abuse someone like Candace Owens or Jesse Lee Peterson gets. The abusive and bullying behaviour of the woke mobs during the BLM riots (think of the mob shouting in the lady's face to raise her fist in the air when she was just trying to have a quiet dinner). Or what happened with the enlightened leftie mob in Evergreen College.

11-04-2022 04:03PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118909616#Comment_118909616

You mean like the way Democrats think the recent Florida law was banning the word "Gay" from schools? Widely portrayed by the left as the "Don't Say Gay" law? When in fact it's actually to prevent teaching sex education to 5 year olds?

11-04-2022 04:04PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118911648#Comment_118911648

How? I think he genuinely tried, unlike literally every other politician from both sides.

Tony EH · 11-04-2022 04:06PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118911769#Comment_118911769

All the above says that is that you've saturated yourself with silly American "internet" politics and exchanged one set of cliches for another.

Get off the web for a bit and go experience some of the real world.

11-04-2022 04:11PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118911819#Comment_118911819

How nice of you to summarise the last 20 years of my life, which I've spent travelling the world, having highs and lows, living and working in different countries, reading, learning, evolving, abusing substances, being both a victim and perpetrator of a crime, starting a happy family, buying a house. I believe that's what the loony left call "denying my lived experiences". But it's OK in this instance I suppose.

Tony EH · 11-04-2022 04:13PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118911846#Comment_118911846

Pity you didn't learn anything from it then isn't it, except a childish grasp of politics, the inability to know a fraud when you see one, and a load of silly catchphrases that you got from the internet.

Quin_Dub · 11-04-2022 04:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118911631#Comment_118911631

The ONLY thing that Trump loves is himself and everything that he does is based on making himself look/feel good and to make money for himself.

He couldn't care less about "his country" , he only cares about how his country was impacting his earnings.

His "political" career has been based entirely on finding ways to self-enrich.

The only "policies" he actually personally cares about are the ones that benefit him - There is a reason that the only legislation that he actually worked to get passed was the tax cuts , his utter disinterest in putting in any effort for any other piece of legislation is not by accident.

He could not care less about anyone else and as such was only interested in things that helped him get what he wanted (which is personal money and power) so he was perfectly happy to indulge all of the right-wing fever dreams as it stoked up his base and got him the support he needed.

11-04-2022 04:16PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118911857#Comment_118911857

Your condescending and dismissive tone really wins me around to your way of thinking.

salmocab · 11-04-2022 04:21PM

Better to be flushed down the toilet by him making money for himself than by establishment politicians from both sides?

11-04-2022 04:21PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118911863#Comment_118911863

What's his BEFORE versus AFTER net wealth do you think? I'm not going to ask for data sources, just trying to understand your (in my opinion) ludicrous viewpoint.

You think he was that hard up for cash that he needed to run for office to get richer? The guy has enough money to live out his days on his golf courses doing what he loves, playing golf. What extra money is he getting that could be worth the years of campaigning, travelling around etc at his age? What do you think he intention is with the extra money? What's he going to spend it on?

Tony EH · 11-04-2022 04:22PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118911881#Comment_118911881

I'm not trying to "win" anything here, because there's nothing to "win".

One day, you might understand that. 😉

duploelabs · 11-04-2022 04:22PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118911914#Comment_118911914

What reliable source can you cite for trump's wealth claims

11-04-2022 04:25PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118911926#Comment_118911926

I'm sure there will be variable estimates but Forbes put his net worth at around $3bn.

Leroy42 · 11-04-2022 04:28PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118911631#Comment_118911631

I don't believe Trump is an evil white supremacist. I do believe that he was entirely in it for the money, plenty of people felt that Trump never expected to win but saw running as a great way to build his Brand (and get the GOP and others to pay for it).

I do believe that he saw those with supremacist tendencies as potential support and thus was happy to accept that support. Just as I don't believe he is a Russian mole, but he will quite happily sell out to Russia if that is in his best interests.

Does he love his country? He has never shown any signs of loving his country but loves what it offers him. He openly hates many aspects of the country. He hates nearly 50% of the people in it. He hates that it incudes immigrants. He hates the legal system, judges. He hates politicians and politics. He hates freedom to knell, he hates protestors, he hates freedom of speech, he sided with Putin over his own security services, he hates the media. What part of it do you think he actually loves?

He did almost nothing to make it actually better. Massively increased its debt, increased the political divide, did nothing for education, nothing for healthcare, nothing for infrastructure, nothing for gun control, nothing for race relations, didn't invest in the future in terms of renewables, gave succour to world tyrants like Saudi Arabia, Putin and KJU.

He never made a honest effort to build the wall because he was never honest about it. What was the final plan? The final costs? Who was going to pay for it? How would it be maintained? What about the land it would need to be bought to build it? He never, never produced any actual plan apart from 'give me a few billions to build something'. That was it. He was never worried about immigration, he was only concerned about stoking fears. What plans did he have to help those countries build up their economies for immigration wasn't a factor? Oh year, he trashed the trade deal and forced jobs back to the US (which is fine as an ideal, but the offshoot is those Mexicans that lose jobs will look to come to the US!).

Apparently the likes of CNN etc owe their ratings to Trump, yet you think they wanted to kill the golden goose? He has huge parts of the media in his pocket, they give him unbridled access, unquestioning 'interviews' which are nothing more than Trump al broadcasts. Fox News, ONN etc.

Obama was constantly mocked and belittled by the media. Biden is portrayed as demented, crazy, too old, etc etc.

11-04-2022 04:36PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118911924#Comment_118911924

So what's the point of you being in this thread then? Surely it's to engage and discuss ideas and if you disagree with someone to try and persuade them of your viewpoint and hopefully "win" them over to seeing your side of the argument? At least that's why I'm here. You might just be here to "fight fascism" or just throw snide remarks at anyone with a different opinion.

Leroy42 · 11-04-2022 04:37PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118911914#Comment_118911914

Are you really asking the question of why a rich person wants more money? Seriously?

Beyond the money, Trump clearly loves the adulation. He was, is, happiest at rallies. Having all those people cheer for him. When he goes to rallies for GOP races, he always talks about himself. Whatever candidate he is there to support gets nothing more than a cursory mention before goes into his 'I'm your favourite President' routine.

11-04-2022 04:50PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118911994#Comment_118911994

No, I'm asking why a billionaire living an easy stress-free life doing reality TV, globe-trotting, opening up golf courses, living off his real-estate empire, would give all that up to do a marathon 2 year election campaign followed by 4 years of constant scrutiny and criticism on a relative pittance salary (by his standards).

For argument's sake, say his wealth went from $3bn to $4bn - you think at his age that it's worth the 6 years of toil and graft? Personally I think Trump is far too lazy to do all that for money.

So you think he's not actually racist or sexist or anti-immigrant at all, that it was just a PR stunt for votes?

Igotadose · 11-04-2022 04:53PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118912045#Comment_118912045

Because he wasn't really a billionaire? And, he doesn't work very hard? He didn't toil for 4 years; he mostly campaigned for 4 years. He barely stayed in DC and was off 'playing golf' otherwise. He could barely be arsed from campaigning to deal with Covid.

He's sexist, there's no doubt of that and has lots of racist history. But, this is old stuff wrt to him. What do you think the future holds? I think up to his neck in legal problems incl. indictments and trials.

Tony EH · 11-04-2022 04:56PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118911988#Comment_118911988

This is a discussion forum, where I can dip into any topic I wish. One day, you might get that as well. 😉

But I am not interested in trying to "win" anything. There is nothing to win in a discussion and if you think that there is, you're on a hiding to nothing. But I'll choose the depth of my involvement and, frankly, if the opposite viewpoint is someone shilling for Donald Trump after all we know about him, then that person doesn't deserve much time. If someone still supports Trump after the lies about a "stolen election" leading up to the scenes we saw on Jan 6th, then that person is either monumentally stupid or they actually approve of his actions.

There can be no innocent support of Donald Trump any more.

As for "snide remarks" thrown at anyone with a "different opinion", you'd do well to take a look in the mirror in that respect lad.

11-04-2022 05:00PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118912077#Comment_118912077

Fair enough, hope you are enjoying the current Presidency which is an astounding success. It's also clear by observing Democrat-run cities and states that a vote for the Democrats is a vote for success and in no way is it causing a spike in violent and non-violent crimes!

Overheal · 11-04-2022 05:01PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118911810#Comment_118911810

That's your personal problem.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118911804#Comment_118911804

So teachers are allowed to talk to their K-3 students about gay people and gayness and homosexuality?

Penn · 11-04-2022 05:03PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118912045#Comment_118912045

Why would a billionaire living an easy stress-free life direct charitable donations made to his charity foundations to his own businesses? Why would a billionaire use charitable donations to buy portraits of himself and hang them in his properties? Why would he have fake Time covers made talking about how great he is?

Because whatever wealth he did have was largely tied to real estate, businesses and loans. Regardless though, he's a man who values power and fame. He didn't care about actually being President, he just wanted to be President. He wanted the power that comes with it. And as for money, he made rules and regulations which benefitted the rich more than anyone else, his family used links made to advance their business interests, and he regularly held or tried to hold events in his properties, as well as his likely 100+ visits to his own golf courses and charging security etc at his properties. And if he's so rich, why is he constantly sending out pathetic begging emails to his followers, full of lies and fake promises.

Money is not enough for him, and he never had as much money as he claimed he did (by his own admission under deposition, what he claimed as his wealth varied depending on what he felt it was, not what it actually was). He wanted the power and the financial benefits which would come from having been President because all of a sudden, Trump properties would become properties owned by the President of the USA, which is a benefit even after leaving office.

What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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