Academy Awards (Oscars 2022)

alan partridge aha · 11-04-2022 7:41am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118909298#Comment_118909298

Doesn't need to, he knew nothing about it. Has she apologised for laughing after her husband hit Chris. C××t.

Penn · 11-04-2022 8:10am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118905967#Comment_118905967

People like Weinstein & Polanski got to keep their Oscars. If the Academy took Smith's Oscar off him they leave themselves open to being challenged on it any time an actor steps out of line, or people calling for those previous Oscars to be called back etc. I'd say it's a door the Academy don't want to open.

Banning Will Smith from future events is the easiest thing they can do. They absolutely f*cked up by not having him removed right after the slap and still letting him go up and accept the award and make his speech. Now banning him is about the only thing they can do. Taking the Oscar off him means little when he already got to accept it and make his speech and be named Best Actor.

At this stage it's about damage limitation on the Academy more than anything else. Plus they likely don't have the power to do anything harsher. Any criminal assault proceedings are for Chris Rock to bring, not the Academy.

11-04-2022 8:34am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118909298#Comment_118909298

But the question still remains, do you believe that if Amy Schumer would deserve a slap from Will Smith if she had made the same joke, in the exact same circumstance?

Would you think less of Will Smith if that happened?

kowloonkev · 11-04-2022 8:47am

I find the reaction to this whole thing crazy in that Will Smith is seen as the bad guy in this. A man (comedian or not) makes a joke about a woman's appearance and hair loss in front of her husband and millions of people watching on TV and this is acceptable?

In the words of Junior Soprano... "a real lack standards your generation"

11-04-2022 8:48am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118909515#Comment_118909515

I know.

It's almost as if physically assaulting people because you don't like the words they are saying is treated like a bad thing!

Penn · 11-04-2022 8:56am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118909515#Comment_118909515

Most people aren't defending Chris Rock's joke. Personally, I think it was a bad joke. If Chris Rock wasn't aware of her alopecia and thought it was just a style choice (which is possible), it's likely it was a spur of the moment joke and wasn't planned. Either way, it just wasn't a great joke regardless.

But it also didn't warrant Will Smith walking up and slapping him on stage in front of millions of people watching, and physical assault is worse than a bad joke. Smith hurt himself more than he hurt Chris Rock with his actions.

Neither Smith nor Rock came out of it well, but yes, Smith is seen as the bad guy in this. The joke didn't warrant the assault, and it's unlikely Rock was trying to be malicious or hurtful (again, he may have thought it was a style choice rather than the result of her alopecia which he may not have known she had).

kowloonkev · 11-04-2022 9:21am

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Say you are attending a wedding with your lovely wife. All your friends and family are there. During the speech the best man jokes about your wife gaining weight. You look at your wife (You watched as she spent the last few weeks hungry, eating lettuce and working out so she could look her best in her new dress). Some people are laughing. You see the pain in her eyes as they tear up. What are you going to do?

...And I know this is a preposterous situation to imagine because even the drunkest best man at a wedding knows not to insult a woman's appearance (in front of her) (with her husband there too) (but Chris Rock didn't know this?)

11-04-2022 9:27am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118909631#Comment_118909631

I wouldn't laugh along with the joke like Will Smith did.

I would confront the best man after the speech and away from other people like any right minded person would.

Are you honestly suggesting that you would attack a best man during a wedding speech?

I wouldn't ruin the other persons wedding by attacking the best man.

11-04-2022 11:29am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118909383#Comment_118909383

Because his agent/spokesperson has confirmed that he hasn't.

JP Liz V1 · 11-04-2022 11:51am

Will could have got up and kissed Jada’s head, instead of slapping Chris and shouting abuse, he did laugh at the joke firstly

11-04-2022 12:21pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118909544#Comment_118909544

Plenty of people here defending it. Claiming it was nothing. What was the big deal? Making excuses that Rock didn't know about Jada's hair, when she has been a spokesperson on alopecia since 2018. Like the Academy don't fact check everything.

They knew well enough to stop Schumer making jokes about Alex Baldwin, but jokes about a black woman with an auto immune disease is fine.

I can't get over how this has been turned around to posters attacking and name calling Jada - the person who was the target of Rock's "joke".

Pretty strange way of twisting things to be calling Jada a cnut over this, in my view.

But then it's Boards. I shouldn't be surprised. In real life I have not met one person who thinks Rock didn't deserve what he got.

I'm out.

JP Liz V1 · 11-04-2022 12:29pm

Do presenters get pre approval of jokes gags made up on the spot, hosts yes I assume but I think not for one off presenters

11-04-2022 12:33pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118910535#Comment_118910535

lol.

Why are you bringing her ethnicity into it?

bizarre behaviour.

Penn · 11-04-2022 12:34pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118910535#Comment_118910535

Making excuses that Rock didn't know about Jada's hair, when she has been a spokesperson on alopecia since 2018. Like the Academy don't fact check everything.

Personally, that's why I'm inclined to believe it was a spur of the moment joke by Rock and that he didn't know she had alopecia. She's been a spokesperson on alopecia, but that doesn't mean Chris Rock knew that. It's likely he just saw she had a shaved head and made that joke because that's the first thing that came to him. therefore no checking by the Academy of the joke beforehand. The joke likely wasn't scripted in advance. They would have had no idea if she'd show up wearing a wig or other headwear which would have made the joke completely redundant.

Not everyone knows JPS has alopecia just because she announced it previously and speaks out about it. Most people don't watch her shows or read celebrity news, especially as JPS isn't a major celebrity these days.

I agree a lot of the criticism and vitriol towards JPS is unwarranted. Given the history of her and Will's relationship I can see why people have a dislike towards her, but people trying to argue that she side-eyed Will and get him to go up and slap Rock, or that he only did it because he knew she's read him out of it if he didn't... there's no basis for that. That's just people's opinion. But in general, personally I do think she seems like a horrible person.

It was a bad joke by Rock and he shouldn't have made it. But pointing out that it was only a joke (again one which I believe there was no malice in and that he likely didn't know about her condition) and that he didn't deserve to be assaulted for it isn't the same as defending Rock.

alan partridge aha · 11-04-2022 1:16pm

Smith's outburst afterwards was nearly worse. We all know Will is total besotted with her, and when he saw her reaction and possibly her words he leaped into action.

11-04-2022 1:58pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118910816#Comment_118910816

I wouldnt say the outburst was worse, but it certainly was proof of how unhinged the mad bastard is.

Tony EH · 11-04-2022 2:19pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118909515#Comment_118909515

If you're quoting a fictional, scumbag, mafia mobster, who's responsible for criminal activity of the absolute worst kind about the standards of a generation...you might need to give your head a wobble. 😉

happyoutscan · 11-04-2022 2:32pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118910535#Comment_118910535

You must only associate with idiots then.

As jokes go, this was tame and certainly didn't merit an assault. A worse joke wouldn't have either.

Jada is a ****. Well known in LA circles that she is a ****.

One other thing. If a man took sexual advantage of a young woman (early 20s) suffering mentally there would - correctly - be uproar. The whole family - including their idiot son - are fu*king bonkers.

11-04-2022 3:33pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118910601#Comment_118910601

You obviously skimmed over the posts explaining the cultural significance their hair has to women of colour.

And that fact that Chris Rock was well informed of that significance, because he narrated a documentary on the subject in 2009.

Rock is a black man. He should have known better than to make that comment to Jada, even if he didn't know of her auto immune condition (which I don't accept. Jada might not be well known by some here, but she is well known in LA) .

The fact that Rock hasn't apologised to her by now, is disgusting.

11-04-2022 3:37pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118911644#Comment_118911644

"Rock is a black man".

Jesus. So what?

A comedian told a joke.

Chris Rock has nothing to apologise for.

11-04-2022 3:39pm

Whether Jada is a **** or not, doesn't matter. Who she has slept with, is also totally irrelevant.

Only a scumbag would think any of that justifies mocking someone for the symptom of an illness. And only a scumbag would do it.

11-04-2022 3:47pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118911680#Comment_118911680

Only a scumbag would assault a comedian for telling a joke.

11-04-2022 4:11pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118911718#Comment_118911718

Only a scumbag would think that was a joke.

11-04-2022 4:16pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118911668#Comment_118911668

"Whoosh" right over your head.

But somehow, I'm not even slightly surprised.

11-04-2022 4:16pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118911847#Comment_118911847

Lol.

It was a joke.

Was it funny? I didn't think so.

Was it crude? Arguably, yes.

Was it a joke? Yes.

Did it deserve physical violence as a response? Absolutely not.

Only a scumbag would think that a joke from a comedian "deserves" to be met with being assaulted.

You never answered though, would your opinion that the joke deserved a slap change if the comedian was a woman? If I went to a comedy club and heard a joke from a woman that I found insulting or offensive, would she deserve me slapping her in the face?

11-04-2022 4:38pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118911876#Comment_118911876

You seem to be under the impression that a black woman with alopecia would suffer worse than a white woman with alopecia due to their skin colour/"heritage".

I would disagree.

Slightly odd stance to have, and a touch racist but hey, I'm not going to judge.

And saying that as a black man, Chris Rock should know better. What does his ethnicity have to do with anything?

kowloonkev · 11-04-2022 4:53pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118909647#Comment_118909647

Personally I don't know what I would do. I think I would at least stand up, go up to him and ask him in front of everyone why he thinks that is an appropriate thing to say. But I'm not a violent person by nature.

I wouldn't judge someone for hitting him though in the heat of the moment. I just think a lot of people are watching it on TV without seeing themselves in that position. Come on man, he took the p*ss out of his wife's appearance in front of them on national television. When has a comedian ever done that before?

11-04-2022 4:55pm

No. I told you already, I'm not indulging you or anyone else in your attempts to drag this off topic with "what ifs."

My comments are specific to what happened between Will Smith and Chris Rock, when Rock thought it was clever to mock Will's wife - for a symptom of her medical condition - in front of millions of people.

Will's retaliatory slap was no worse than anything I've seen go on in pubs here in my time and I'm sure in yours too if you'd admit it. The only person who felt Will's slap, was Chris Rock.

Unlike the 37 million sufferers of alopecia around the world who heard and felt the verbal slap Rock gave Jada.

If you don't get that, (and I believe you do but don't want to be seen to conceed even an inch) then there is nothing more to say.

I'm not going to waste any more of my time going around in circles on it either.

11-04-2022 4:59pm

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If Will Smith had gone up on stage and asked Chris Rock to explain why he thought it was appropriate to make a joke like that, he would have been hailed as an absolute hero, chivalrous, sensitive and protective and completely in charge of the situation.

Instead he laughed, then got up, slapped chris rock, shouted expletives and acted like a bitch. That's apparently his default.

happyoutscan · 11-04-2022 5:08pm

Jada was a predator and August her prey.

She is the scumbag.

Will is just an idiot.

11-04-2022 5:17pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118912000#Comment_118912000

The significance of ethnicity here has been explained on thread at least twice.

You're just showing (more) of your own ignorance now by attempting to label this racist.

Go educate yourself.

JRant · 11-04-2022 5:18pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118912074#Comment_118912074

There are millions of male victims of voilence every year. Should we spare a thought for them as well? Seeing another man getting assaulted and no reprocussions would certainly be raw for many of them.

Tony EH · 11-04-2022 5:32pm

I think Will Smith needs to get out of that "relationship" ASAP. It's clearly not good for him.

11-04-2022 5:33pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118912173#Comment_118912173

I'm educated. I heard what you said.

You brought up race. I am of the opinion that it has nothing to do with this incident.

I still don't think it is right to infer that a black woman would be more affected by alopecia than a white person, based on their ethnic heritage.

11-04-2022 7:07pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118912247#Comment_118912247

Yes, I did bring up race. But not in the way you are trying to say I did, and you damn well know it.

But, again, that's your style, the Dunne. Cheap shots and always trying to twist others words.

For anyone whose interested, here is the link to the official trailer for the documentary Chris Rock narrated on black women's hair. I'm sure the whole documentary is online somewhere.

I wonder how he felt that time when his own daughter came in and asked him "Daddy, why don't I have good hair?"

And then the dick goes and takes a cheap shot at Jada in front of millions just for the lols. There is no excuse for what he did.

Total asshole, as far as I'm concerned, who got what he deserved.

https://youtu.be/1m-4qxz08So

11-04-2022 7:39pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118912575#Comment_118912575

I'm not twisting anything. No need to be so aggressive.

Either you think that a black women with alopecia is affected significantly worse than a white woman with alopecia due to their ethnic heritage or you don't.

I don't think it's the case.

And with your last line, you again confirm that you think that an deserved response to a joke or words you find distasteful or insulting is physical violence.

I found it a little insulting and offensive that you accuse me of twisting your words. Do you now deserve a slap?

11-04-2022 7:46pm

Oh and then there is this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXLH8u0MXAs

No excuse for Chris Rock not apologising to Jada at this point.

He can't claim ignorance to the significance of her hair to either a black woman, or an alopecia sufferer.

None.

11-04-2022 7:49pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118912742#Comment_118912742

There is an excuse. He might not be sorry.

11-04-2022 8:26pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118912755#Comment_118912755

Well if he's not, then shame on him.

11-04-2022 8:33pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118912937#Comment_118912937

Where is your line when a joke or a statement crosses the boundary and becomes deserving of violence?

alan partridge aha · 11-04-2022 8:42pm

Shame on her for laughing when Smith struck Rock.

She's a horrible wagon, and Will should get out.

Chris Rock didn't know about her alopecia according to his brother. He has nothing to apologise for. Chris was treated very shabbily by the academy and actors alike.

11-04-2022 9:05pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118912074#Comment_118912074

Sorry, just seeing this reply.

A verbal slap? Jesus Christ.

You do know that GI Jane starred Demi Moore who at the time was lauded for how attractive she was with a shaved head?

It is a stretch to even attempt to call it an insult. And I'm sure a good chunk of those 37 million you speak about would be delighted to be compared to Demi Moore.

Jada Smith has a shaved head, so a comparison with a famous shaved headed character at an Oscar ceremony was not too off colour.

And of course you won't answer a what if. Because your position is inconsistent if you apply it to any other similar or comparable scenario.

You think violence is deserved if you find something offensive.

11-04-2022 9:08pm

Is that the brother who called Jada a bitch? Nice family.

The brother onstage throwing shapes and threatening "his hands" on anyone who approaches him?

What a hypocrite.

11-04-2022 9:16pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118913127#Comment_118913127

Lol.

Tough one...

Which family are worse...

The family who celebrate violence, have sex with their children's friends and exploit their marital problems for fame?

Or the family who said some things a bit nasty about **** people?

(Granted, Chris rocks family may be ****. I'm not an expert on them. But if we are going only what's in this thread, we know the Smith household is not a "stable" environment)

alan partridge aha · 11-04-2022 9:20pm

Well I wouldn't have blamed Chris if he would have defended himself. But unlike the other emasculated fool he knew where he was and how to conduct himself.

Sergibabo · 11-04-2022 9:33pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118909298#Comment_118909298

It's a straightforward question, would a female comedian deserve a slap in the face if they made that joke about Jada?

11-04-2022 9:43pm

A millionaire slapped another millionaire because he made a joke about his wife, who has had sex with her children's friend, because she has a shaved head and looks a bit like GI Jane.

JRant · 11-04-2022 10:53pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118913188#Comment_118913188

If I was rock I'd have hit the deck and made them carry me off in a stretcher, singing "Dolla Dolla Bills ya'll" all the way to the hospital.

FortuneChip · 12-04-2022 3:09pm

It's possible to understand Will Smith's reaction, but there's no justifying his actions at all.

No matter what the joke was, he was out of line. So many other routes he could have taken that would have better expressed his disapproval, and gotten what he wanted, unless what he wanted was to vent some steam, and pick on a weak target.

Academy made a balls of the situation, he should never have been allowed stay at the event, nor afforded the longest acceptance speech in Academy history after interrupting a scheduled host minutes earlier.

That said, I think he's since been adequately punished, and it should be the end of it for him. Any calls for his Oscar to be returned is complete nonsense.

The Nal · 04-05-2022 12:26pm

Dave Chapelle got attacked on stage last night, some idiot ran on and sort of tackled him.

Didnt end up well for the lad once security got involved.

https://twitter.com/nuffsaidny/status/1521745161042153473

Academy Awards (Oscars 2022)

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