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If that isn't incitement to hatred I don't know what is. I do hope that those investigating war crimes open dossiers on this fcuker and his gimps also.

"..anyway Vlad, you're still invited to my next bunga-bunga party. Bring a bottle and a bird."

Nato countries ARE ARMING AND PROVIDING INTELLIGENCE for Ukraine, so they are therefore a valid part of the discussion (and they'll likely be more involved very soon).

And as Putin is raging about Ukraine and Baltic countries wanting to join Nato, that also makes Nato a valid part of the discussion.

You can see that, right?

Next eu sanction idea no bunga bungas

why only now do you want to send soldiers into war,

Because the war has gone out of control. Russia troops arent targeting military targets anymore but innocent civilians and children. That's not right.

And when are you signing up yourself?

I'm not a trained soldier so il leave that those who know how to fight.

The Finland joining NATO situation is in itself a huge signal of just how badly Putin has miscalculated here. Like 6 weeks ago one of his main pretexts for invading Ukraine was ensuring that NATO didnt allow Ukraine to join them in order to avoid NATO weapons being placed along Russias borders. Even though there was no chance of Ukraine ever joining NATO when it didnt have control of all its territory (which is a condition of joining NATO) Putin still went with his reasoning that by invading Ukraine he would avoid NATO expansion and prevent weapons being placed on Russias borders.

But now his invasion of Ukraine has spooked Finland so much that they are shredding their long standing foreign policy of neutrality and they cant get their application in to NATO quick enough. The irony of all this is that the Finnish border is only 200 kilometers from Putins home town of St.Peterburg. So instead of ensuring that Ukraine doesnt join NATO (something that couldnt have happened anyway) Putin is now facing Finland joining it instead which brings about the very real possibility of American boots and weapons along Russias 600km long Finnish border with St.Petersburg just a short trip up the road. So when Finland join NATO the extent of Putins strategic miscalculation will become truly evident because he will now have NATO infrastructure even closer to a major Russian center of population. From a NATO point of view having Finlands territory in the alliance as a bullwark to Russian aggression is like having all their Christmasses and birthdays coming at once. So Putins attempt to make Russia more secure by invading Ukraine is now going to backfire on him in a way that he would never had thought possible just six short weeks ago. He launched a war becasue of his misplaced paranoia about NATO wanting infrastructure up against his border with Ukraine but now his war is going to deliver exactly that, just in a different location and far closer to St.Petersburg.

And just as an aside of the Finland angle, years ago I lived and worked there for a while. One of my flatmates was a radio frequency engineer for Nokia mobile phones when they were in their 3310 pomp but once a year he and almost a million other Finnish reservists would disappear for about 3 weeks and head off to the military for exercises and annual training. His role in the military if war ever did break out was as a non-commissioned officer in a deep underground bunker working on radar systems. I used to slag him about heading off on a holiday every year to play military computer games while I was back in the flat playing FIFA on the Playstation. At the time I thought that what he and other reservists were doing was a bit of overkill but the last few weeks has really put the reasons for the Finnish military readiness into perspective. All the same murder, rape and torture that we are seeing right now in Ukraine has been visited upon Finland by the Russian army in the past. And while most Finns alive today didnt live through it they still have a national shared consciousness that has a collective rage against what Russia did to their country during WWII. Through oral history the average Finn is very cognisant of exactly the type of atrocities and war crimes that the Russian army are capable of which is why despite decades of peace they still keep their military and reservists at such high levels of training and preparedness.

So while Putin has turned his sabre rattling about joining NATO on to Finland there isnt a single thing he can do about them signing up, he cannot threaten them militarily or they would finish off his army for good. In just a few short weeks Putin has managed to motivate Finland into ripping up decades of their foreign policy and go hurtling into NATO which brings their territory right up against a huge Russian border. The level of strategic miscalculation here by Putin is just truly astounding. He can bring his troops home for his V-Day parade on Red Square in a few weeks all he wants but any victory he claims is merely a Pyrrhic one such is the massive cost that it has come at. He is going to end up with NATO infrastructure up against his border which is the very thing he was setting out to avoid to begin with. And all on Finnish soil backed by up an army that would love to have a crack at the Russians. Somewhere in the Pentagon there must be a bunch of US generals who are absolutely rubbing their hands in glee about all this, they cannot believe that Putin has just gift wrapped and delivered them new NATO territory right up against the Russian border.

A valid force majeur clause may not apply, as the standard appropriate FM term in times of conflict would be "war", something which Russia claims is not the case, remember it's not war, rather a "special military operation".

A few prominent legal studies have taken place in recent weeks (they can be found on the reputable sites like Lexology and Bloomberg Law) which have all concluded a default due to sanctions may not be a valid FM clause as the default is due to sanctions, which although are a result of war, don't come under the heading of war itself.

It really could get messy and is certainly one which all stakeholders and legal academics will be watching closely.

It happens on both sides but who illegally invaded Ukraine in the first place? Yes it was RUSSIA. They deserve everything they get.

Spot on.

I've said it before, but Putin is the best spokesman for Nato membership.

In December (less than 4 months ago), the Centre Party in Finland said they are against Finland joining Nato - the party traditionally favours neutrality and good working relations with Russia.

Today's news: "The Centre Party on Saturday said it would support the Finnish leadership if it decided to apply for membership in Nato."

They say they don't expect good working relation with Russia are realistic in the near future.

Putin is a miracle worker - he's managed to get the Finnish people, the government, and all opposition parties to back Nato membership in Finland.

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Can we get Vyborg back? My grandmother's old house is still there, when she had to flee the Soviet invasion in 1939 and leave everything behind.

Your dribbling whataboutism is cliche at this stage.

Thats why the comrades left.