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How long until we see €2 a litre and will it push more to EV's faster?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,743 ✭✭✭whippet


    You seem to imply that I am virtue signalling - I'm not ... I was in the market for a new car and decided that EV would suit and did so. I will be changing another car next year and I will probably change that for an EV as it will tick all the boxes I require.

    I am simply making the point that eventually ICE cars will be relics .. when I don't know ... but it seems to be increasing in pace year on year. But as with all technology there will be first movers, people who won't move until there isn't another option and all those in between



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,264 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    You seem to imply that I am virtue signalling - I'm not ... I was in the market for a new car and decided that EV would suit and did so. I will be changing another car next year and I will probably change that for an EV as it will tick all the boxes I require.

    I presume you will be crushing your current car when you replace it, that's the generally expected procedure for replacing an EV by those who only buy bangers and keep them on the road for 10 years whilst judging everybody who buys a car.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,146 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    "Commencing" BusConnects. Eight years of work, with what... three or four done already in Dublin? Ridiculously half assed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 503 ✭✭✭PaulJoseph22


    Yeah, we had an ev, got sick of trying to conserve battery and driving with no heat and queuing for charging or no chargers.

    Thankfully we got rid of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,641 ✭✭✭appledrop


    F@@k that life is too short.

    I absolutely hate filling my car but at least is does just under 1,000km + I always fill it to brim.

    The thoughts if having to wait somewhere, which could be for few hours if you got stuck for your car to charge, good luck to that!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,367 ✭✭✭JimmyVik


    Did you find this when you were talking to fellow EV owners? None of them ever had to wait at a charger except yourself? :)

    As an EV driver myself I notice that most EV drivers, even the ones you are talking to while waiting at a charger :), will tell you they never have to wait at chargers. And yet they are standing in a service station waiting at a charger while trying top convince you of this. Its comical.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,367 ✭✭✭JimmyVik


    The biggest problem I find with the EV is you have to drive out of your way to ensure you are close to a charger, also you have to plan to be within range of a few chargers as backup. With my diesel though I just drive til the light goes on and there will always be a petrol station a few miles down the road, in the right direction if i need to fill it up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,743 ✭✭✭whippet


    In 12 months I've only used a public charge point twice ... didn't have to wait and have covered 24,000km ... so not really a problem for me



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,829 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    Depends on how often you undertake long trips. I have used IONITY once this year. Haven’t had to refuel anywhere except my own front driveway at any other stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,891 ✭✭✭Old diesel


    Do you seriously think that 500,000 pounds of material for ONE 1000 pound battery is credible????.

    Even if its correct (I doubt it) - the horrendous inefficiency that it represents is likely something that Tesla and others will have no choice but to work on.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 771 ✭✭✭Sam the Sham


    Exactly my thinking. We ordered our EV last July and took delivery in January. We bought new on a PCP for a couple of reasons: inflation in used car market meant our trade-in had more value and any used replacement was overpriced relative to new. There was also the 0% finance offer we got. And I figured the timing was perfect since the demand for used EVs was already increasing and would only continue to do so during the 3-year term. What I didn’t figure on was that the manufacturers’ difficulties in supplying cars would get even worse. I’m pretty confident that in three year’s time the resulting poor supply of used EVs and the increasing demand will leave anyone with a 2021 or 22 reg EV with significant equity in the car.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 503 ✭✭✭PaulJoseph22


    Yes, they don't want to hear the real life experience, essentially you are lying, in their opinion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,743 ✭✭✭whippet


    I've heard more motorists giving out about the price of diesel and petrol than I have about waiting to charge ... mind you I rarely every have to use the public charging network .. so I don't meet them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    500k lbs of material, most of that is earth and clay depending on the mine. Most "mined" lithium is from huge open air strip mining.

    Majority of lithium doesnt come from mines but from aquifers with dissolved lithium, the process to extract that involves waste of huge amounts of water - along with other chemical wastes caused by the extraction. There is nothing environmentally friendly about it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,829 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    The people standing around complaining about charging speeds or waiting on a charger most likely have picked the wrong place to stop, some people think only ESB provides chargers, dont know the difference between DC and AC, etc etc,

    A little education and planning goes a long way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,743 ✭✭✭whippet


    anyway .. motorists have always been giving out about each other ... so this isn't any different.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,367 ✭✭✭JimmyVik



    Victim blaming right there :)

    Of course people know how to charge their cars. So now your answer to waiting at a charger is "pick a different place to stop". Jesus wept. Noone ever would have thought of that if they had only known that there was a wueue at the charger before they picked the charger.

    Thats like the post where I told someone that my parents stopped driving the EV to my aunts because they used to have to charge either on the way there or the way home and it was just added too much on to the day for them.

    Someone came along and said "They should charge at your aunts". I replied that it was an old house, and the charger tripped the mains breaker.

    Then someone said "Get the house rewired".

    Then i mentioned there was a slow charger in the village a few km away and that was too far. So someone suggested that the 90 year olds park at that and walk to my aunts house and then walk to wherever they are taking her out to for the day.

    No doubt someone will be back here now saying "Take her out to the charger".

    Just stop with the high and mighty "solutions" that dont fit the situation. There are lots of situations where an EV doesnt work. And there are lots where it does. Simple as that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,829 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    yes there are, there are also a lot of uninformed people, people who dont use ABRP when doing longer trips, people that dont know the difference between a type 2 charger and a CCS, i have first hand experience of all of it, so there are scenarios where evs dont work (but most can be worked around) and there is also significant levels of user error.

    when i say pick a different place to charge i mean before you get there, goto ionity with 4 stalls rather than an ESB charger with one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,367 ✭✭✭JimmyVik


    Anyone I know who has an EV knows how to charge it and what the different chargers are. Its not exactly rocket science now is it. They have no choice actually. What you are saying is like saying that many car drivers dont know the difference between a petrol and a diesel pump. They do, but sometimes they arent looking, or have just changed car recently at it and fill the car with the wrong fuel. It happens, Doesnt mean they dont know the difference between them.

    Your attitude is typical of EV envagilist types. You know all and noone else knows anything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,829 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    your attitiude is a typical one as well, im not ev evangelist, im on my first one, i have had probably 20 ICE cars, a lot of high performance ones, i just like cars generally.

    You can make excuses for poor planning and lack of knowledge if you want, i dont know where you are hanging out, but i havent experienced the issues or the moaning at chargers that you have apparently. So rather than my experience being wrong, its different to yours, doesnt make either of us right.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,743 ✭✭✭whippet


    that's a leap ... my missus hasn't a clue about the charging on our car ... I have a timer set on it to only use night rate ... trying to explain to her how to change that to charge immediately is like trying to explain the matrix to a hedgehog .. I won't even go there with the difference between AC and DC.

    So she knows that she plugs the thing in from the wall in the garden to the thing in the front of the car and the next morning she has full range ... that is all she wants to know.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,367 ✭✭✭JimmyVik


    Yes if everyone was as intelligent as you are on how to travel in their car there would be no need to ever charge or even wait at a charger.

    We get it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,829 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    way to miss the point, sorry your experience is typical and mine is in my head,

    we get it.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,872 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Did you actually read through the twitter thread which explains it in detail? Whilst running an EV car might be more environmentally friendly than ICE, its production definitley is not environmentally friendly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,641 ✭✭✭appledrop


    People are hilarious about the public charging points. They have no reality whatsoever of rural Ireland.

    On one part of my commute in rural area, I pass a petrol station and that's it for 20km so you cant have a low tank. Now that's a petrol station, forget about a EV charging spot!

    Some people really are living in cloud cuckoo land about EV infrastructure in this country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,829 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    If you are charging at home infastructure along motorways for when you are travelling longer distances is what you need, not necessarily local charge points. That couple with local hotels with destination chargers works well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,743 ✭✭✭whippet


    I live in a rural area and the nearest public charge point to me is about 20km away .... I've never used it .. never had to

    My in-laws have an EV and so do a couple of my friends .. so when I am visiting if I need a top up I can do



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,146 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    And one thing that I think does need to change (having only recently been dragged into using the Apcoa parking app because Corks railway station carpark machines accept coin only), is the myriad of crappily designed apps for EV users, of which you need several to be able to charge anywhere. That would put plenty of elderly people off.

    My parents would love an EV but neither have smartphones so it makes it very complicated. You don't need a smartphone to buy petrol. Little things like that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,743 ✭✭✭whippet


    I have a fob on the keyring of the car that starts the charge on the ECars / EasyGo chargers ... no need for an app ... set up the account online and it takes money from my bank card if needed. There is also the ECars card that I leave in the car and that is what is used to start and stop the charge for the wife .. simples .. no app no fapping about



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,367 ✭✭✭JimmyVik


    You are actually the one missing the point here. But thats normal for an EV evangelist.

    Everybody have different needs and uses for their car. Realize that and you have already taken the first step to helping yourself.



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