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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,489 ✭✭✭zv2


    Russia didn't lose any troops in Ukraine. That's all fakery. All that happened was a fellow hurt his finger carrying a washing machine, and he is being cared for by world experts in washing machine accidents, in Moscow.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,033 ✭✭✭roosterman71




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,049 ✭✭✭Polar101


    South Africa didn't vote against, they abstained.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,553 ✭✭✭Fiery mutant


    It'll sadden me when it falls, but by heck have they put up a hell of a fight. The city is a ruin, but they have fought for every inch of it, and they have the pride and admiration of the whole world for how they have held off the ruin army.

    We should defend our way of life to an extent that any attempt on it is crushed, so that any adversary will never make such an attempt in the future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,190 ✭✭✭opinionated3


    Yep, my apologies. Wrong vote I was thinking of.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,042 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Already talks about cutting Hungary off from EU funding because of their anti Ukraine - Pro Putin stance. They are walking on very thin ice.....and if push comes to shove, best let them go altogether.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,927 ✭✭✭eire4


    Was there not efforts to cut of some of their EU funding based on their anti democratic moves within Hungary prior to all this?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,927 ✭✭✭eire4


    You are correct my mistake. Still doesn't change my point very much about shame on them considering the recent history with regard to apartheid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,073 ✭✭✭JoChervil


    Semi-random question, might have asked something similar earlier in the thread, anyone god any guides to the Russian revolution? One thing that strikes me is there's talk of the soviets (as in the councils) being one thing and the Bolsheviks being separate. Who were these soviets? Were they just a proxy? Did they merge?

    I would say Soviets is the widest form. They were citizens of USSR, which consisted of many nations, so it is wider notion than Russians. But people usually call Russians Soviets. While Bolshevics were members or at least fans of communists party. So each Bolshevic was a Soviet, but not all Soviets were Bolshevics. In Poland we call certain way of thinking as Bolshevism (derogatory term), kind like Putinism. Anyway it is my understanding. But I might be wrong.

    EDIT, yeah, but in 1917 Soviets were probably councilmen.

    Post edited by JoChervil on


  • Posts: 2,050 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Whatever happened to the Anonymous info dump that would 'shake Russia to it's core' they were trumpeting a couple of weeks ago?

    Those lads are great at self publicity aren't they.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,416 ✭✭✭Field east


    ireland has no embassy in The Sudan BUT the Irish embassy in Egypt looks after Irish interests in The Sudan. At least that used to be the case. ALSO in some countries where Ireland has no embassy but the British has, the Irish Government would have an arrangement with British embassy to look after certain matters eg Irish citizens with certain issues.

    SO , why not have a strategy whereby the Russian Embassies in all the , for example, EU member states be closed down and let any business to be handled with Russia be handled by a newly set up ‘EU Embassy’

    AFTER ALL, because of the new IRON CURTAIN most countries supporting sanctions will have little or no business dealings with Russia so there will be no need for an Embassy and the SUGGESTED EU Embassy should be able to handle the bit of business there might be.

    Russia should not see this as a ‘slap in the face’. It’s because there will be so little business to be transacted. We, for eg Ireland, still have maintained the embassy concept by rearranging how we plan to do any business with RU in the future

    the above concept will @also kill RU. Espionage activities stone dead



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,151 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Thinking about it, 'post-truth' might not be as accurate a phrase as 'post-consensus'. 'Post-truth' is just a bit snappier. It's not necessarily about what is objectively true, but at least what we agree to be true. If you lose consensus on enough things, you risk losing societal cohesion because there is no sense of a shared set of values between otherwise unaffiliated people inhabiting the same area. If you lose societal cohesion, you lose the ability to respond to threats and crises because of infighting. Russia and China are only too aware of this which is why it's very much in their interest to prop up and give voice to contrarian commentators in the West while locking their own sh*t right down. What I fear may happen in the West is that is that weariness of the confusion generated from post-truth gives rise to a thirst for authoritarianism because of the perceived certainty it offers. It's only lucky that Russia let the mask slip and given us a good bloody look at what the true face of authoritarianism is before it's too late over here. it's ugly, and it's hateful and it's selfish and it's evil.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,566 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Every single day for the past 45 odd days someone on here and elsewhere says Mariupol is about to fall.

    And every single day it doesn't.

    They have vowed to fight until the last man / woman, the criminal scum have no such aspirations.

    I'll give them a while yet. 👍️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,069 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Will the same apply to countries that have provided material assistance and significant blocks to sanctions against Russia now and over the last 8 years.


    Orban and Hungary are also rans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,029 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    Russian soldiers kept 130 people inside a school basement 65 meters squared for four weeks, they had to live with corpses, some had to sleep standing up because there was so little space. Some were taken outside and used as human shields.




  • Posts: 25,917 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Little bit of crossed wires here, understandable with the fact that "soviet" can be used in about a dozen contexts. :D

    I meant soviet as in council. So there was the Petrograd soviet which apparently was powerful but was separate from the Bolsheviks. I think. So there were local soviets (councils) around the place and I don't get what they were or where they came from.

    I agree with most of your post but I think they're separate but linked issues. When people in Europe have seen things with their own eyes that politicians (mostly on the left) will tell them didn't happen or that they're liars, that's where the "post-truth" bits fall.

    The post-consensus stuff is maybe just a different kind of consensus. One issue is that consensus now seems to be buying all that one side say. We're fed a consensus that most people don't believe but the only parties willing to speak certain obvious truths are the nutty ones. Governments seem to deliberately hamstring themselves to follow this kind of consensus. At this point hate-speech laws are about silenting questioning the consensus we're all fed. Not to say the consensus is always wrong either. It seems to be it used to be that opposite opinions were argued, now the argument seems to mostly be against the fact that anyone would ever argue against the "consensus"/"truth".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,489 ✭✭✭zv2


    Not only that. There's a war going on and the Brits are still arguing about cake. Re. the soviets - I heard a version that Stalinism was not the plan. Stalin seized power from the true communists and created Stalinism. He prevented true communism from coming about in Russia.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,927 ✭✭✭eire4


    I would be good with that idea of closing down our embassy altogether in Russia and kicking them out of their embassy in Dublin altogether as well. I doubt all EU countries would want to follow suit but we could have an EU embassy that would collectively function for the number of countries that did follow suit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,489 ✭✭✭zv2


    Very true. The west has all but lost its belief in anything and has become divided in detail. That division is its weakness.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,069 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Yet the same people who say Stalin was not a true Communist, never talk about the red Terror and mass murder campaign that Lenin and Trotsky unleashed on the Ukraine and South West Russia.


    Putin has along way to go to equal them.



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  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    A little off topic, but "true communism" is not workable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 521 ✭✭✭DontHitTheDitch


    There is no way of bringing in true communism without brutality and an authoritarian regime. Some people invent technology that change lives, others want to tend organic vegetables and others just want to smoke vegetation. You can’t keep them all equal without cutting down the tallest or most colourful flowers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    I think an unidentified threat should be made against Russia that guerilla sabotage attacks will be conducted within Russian borders.

    I'm not suggesting that Ukraine should claim responsibility, it would surely be the work of Nazis.

    Such an outcome would drive Putin the rest of the way to insanity.

    If I can think of it, others must be thinking it too. Either way, Russia is going to be royally fcuked, sideways.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,042 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Yes, there was talks about reducing EU funding some time ago, but this time the cuts are going to be much worse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,378 ✭✭✭liamtech



    Above Video: WW2 Weapons Used in Ukraine War

    I found this FASCINATING - one of those videos that you end up having to pause so you can google the equipment being discussed! also demonstrates that older weapons are phenomenally useful in this war -

    Thought id share perhaps some of you may enjoy the distraction :~)

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,919 ✭✭✭GM228


    For any Pink Floyd fans, video just released in the last hour, certainly not what I expected from the band, with Andriy Khlyvnyuk (of Ukrainian band Boombox).




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,042 ✭✭✭jmreire


    This war will be a real game changer in terms world politics. And when the dust finally settles, it will be on a completely different landscape. Hard at this point to see what will happen exactly, but I'd say that there will be growing divides and how they work out will definitely be impacted by the voting patterns we are seeing presently.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,042 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Just put it on Putins tab, along side the reconstruction costs....

    Post edited by jmreire on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,152 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Man of the people.


    I shudder what’s going to be voted into power in the next election.



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