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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,620 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    Oh sweet jesus. Even your back tracking, apart from being boring, is a cringefest!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,883 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    And yet they’re falling over one another trying to get into here. It’s high time the west tightened up and woke up majorly to our enemies and act accordingly. India top of the list. They love Russia so much? Let them piss off there and emigrate to there so.

    These nationalities want to live here, enjoy our economic and social freedoms. We are entitled to loyalty as a bare minimum in return.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭ronivek


    It's about relative safety.

    If Ukraine take many Russian prisoners and treat them relatively well that is both political leverage against Russia; and it is real emotional leverage against the Russian troops and officers on the ground. It is an incentive both for Russian troops and officers to surrender; but also an incentive for them to minimise mistreatment of prisoners and civilians.

    It is also a means to get more Ukrainian prisoners released via prisoner exchanges; which have already happened in certain cases.

    Conversely if significant numbers of Russian prisoners are tortured or executed, if wives and girlfriends are sent taunting messages from Ukrainians, if Ukraine doesn't have many Russian prisoners; they lose that leverage. Russian officers and grunts won't be as willing to surrender; they'll be more inclined to fight to the death or flee and exact revenge later. They'll be more inclined to mistreat prisoners and civilians; or even have senior officers order pogroms against particular towns or villages that might be associated with particular military units.

    I mean maybe by logic is flawed; but that's how I see it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    Yep given what we have seen of the Russian behaviour towards Ukrainian civilians I highly doubt they are being treated "nicely". It appears from the evidence in hand that whether they stay alive or unmolested is purely random.

    From what I can see the incident in question is isolated and if indeed it was a war crime I have confidence that the Ukrainians will deal with it. We already know the Russians aren't going to lift a finger and are denying war crimes despite clear evidence to the contrary. In fact they have already handed out medals to some of the units who were in the Bucha area. I wonder are there special medal types in the Russian military for looting, torturing civilians, child murder or rape?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭ronivek


    Feel free to find even one post which contradicts anything I've stated there.

    Don't bother replying to me again though; I'm ignoring you.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,171 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Today's lesson, boys and girls, is on 'cause and effect'

    "Dmitry Medvedev announces "a lot of" assassinations of Ukrainians abroad and more "denazification" of Ukraine and the whole of Europe up to Lisbon."

    Will get you:

    "Portugal will send "defensive and offensive war material to Ukraine" João Gomes Cravinho confirmed today that Portugal will send "in the near future" war material, either "defensive" or "offensive", to Ukraine. The country will send "ammunition and weapons" to Ukraine."

    Keep it up, Medvedev.



  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You make many good points if you weren't talking about Russians, the same Russians that have already killed civilians without provocation.

    Ukrainians killing prisoners might also make it more likely Russian conscripts get out of Dodge



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭ronivek


    And my worry is that as bad as the Russian atrocities have been until this point (or at least the ones we know about or suspect); they have the capacity to ramp that up significantly. They have done it before; I have no doubts they would do it again and on a greater scale.

    It is also possible as you suggest that it might tempt some conscripts to flee; but again as you say we're talking about Russians: they're not exactly strangers to summarily executing or torturing their own soldiers to keep discipline.

    I think the risk of escalations against civilians and Ukrainian prisoners coupled with longer term issues in the international community just aren't worth whatever gains I can see.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭ronivek


    I'm pretty sure he still has a backlog of like 200 Russian vehicles he hasn't been able to process yet; too.

    Would love to see more expensive modern aircraft confirmed shot down though; they really don't seem to like losing aircraft or pilots whereas they don't seem to care about their conscripts or tanks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,171 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Reminds me of Sarajevo, Romeo and Juliet and the bridge in 1993. If they catch those snipers, I don't care if they are mistreated.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,120 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Where some of the Russian loot ended up getting shipped to.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,171 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    The DM has a nasty story about 15 and 16 year old sisters who were raped in Ivankiv, a small village, and how the women of the village were trapped there with Russian troops for a month and suffered accordingly.

    Post edited by cnocbui on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭deise08


    Screenshot_20220406_233040_com.google.earth.jpg

    Some of the military aircraft at leninavan where that special op plane was flying from tonight.

    Google earth from from. July I think.

    Other planes there too on other runways don't know if they're military or civilian.

    Haven't a clue on different aircraft.

    Although it doesn't look like a big airport.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭deise08


    Savages.

    You'd be thinking they'd have some humanity about them.

    Be thinking that they're some mothers son, someone's father, brother, (not sure how many female soldiers they would have, or would they be sent there.)

    But to be able to do what they're doing consciously, I have absolutely no sympathy for any of them barbarians.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,034 ✭✭✭Amprodude


    What a joke that is. Those sanctions are worth the same as pi$$ing on a tree. They aren't doing enough damage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,736 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    What is he getting at here? Is Russia going to step up the litvonienko/skripal type assassinations in the West? If that’s the case no Russian should get past an airport without a full radiation detection procedure and a full verified explanation of there reason for travel. Chilling stuff to think a high ranking politician could make insidious threats like that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭thomil


    Let's see...

    Starting at the bottom, the first plane looks like a Su-25, a ground-attack aircraft. That type is seeing regular use over Ukraine, on both sides.

    Above that is a helicopter, probably a Mil Mi-8 or one of its successors, the Mi-17. They're basically the Huey or Black Hawk of the USSR, a bit larger, but equally widespread and with an equally dizzying array of variants, from transport via sub hunting to electronic warfare, gunship and even crop duster and Search & Rescue.

    Above that an on the left side of the taxiway is a Sukhoi Su-27 or one of its successor models. In use by both sides in Ukraine, this is basically the USSR counterpart to the F-15 and is equally capable.

    Going back to the right hand side of the taxiway, next up is a Sukhoi Su-24 Fencer. This is an old ground-attack aircraft from the 1970s, roughly analogous with the old American F-111 or early models of the Tornado. The Fencer is on its way out, but still has some combat value.

    Back on the left side, we have another helicopter, and an interesting one at that. That looks very much like a Mil Mi-28 Havoc, one of Russia's newest attack helicopters, comparable in role and capability to early model AH-64 Apaches.

    Finally, on the right hand side, there is a MiG-29 Fulcrum. Apart from being the subject of fierce debates in this thread, this design, while old, still packs a punch, being robust, agile and surprisingly flexible.

    Now, whether Leninavan is a combat air base is another matter entirely. Looking at the satellite imagery, I'm not so sure about that. Most of the Revetments and aircraft shelters seem to be either demolished or in a state of disrepair, at least on Google Maps. There are a number of military airlifts parked in the central part of the base, most Antonov AN-12s, with a few An-26s and even an ancient Ilyushin Il-18 (possibly its Electronic Warfare counterpart Il-20?) in the mix. Three equally ancient Tupolev 134 airliners, probably used for military liaison or in reserve, are also present in the Google Maps images. There are also a few helicopters visible in the northern part of the base, what looks like six additional Mi-28 Havoc and five heavy-lift Mi-26 Halo, currently the largest helicopters in service worldwide.

    This weird mix leads me to two possible scenarios for Leninavan:

    1) It's a military transport air base. The amount of transport aircraft and helicopters would clearly speak for that, as would the poor conditions of aircraft shelters and revetments, particularly in the southern part of the base.

    2) It's a maintenance depot of some sort, or possibly a boneyard. This would explain the numerous different aircraft types, as outlined above. However, the lack of a substantial number of large scale hangars for actual maintenance works goes against that scenario, and the Russian weather isn"t really conducive to outdoors maintenance work on aircraft, even when they're as rugged as Russian designs.

    There is however, nothing that indicates that this airfield is some sort of special operations hub or similar. It also likely hasn't seen any real maintenance in a long time. Compared to other Russian air bases such as Engels, the home of the Russian strategic bomber force, that airfield looks like a callback to the bad old days. I'd say it's just close to the combat area in Ukraine, hence its use.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 850 ✭✭✭GeneHunt


    Google Earth dates your photo as 27-10-21, Interesting that corner of the airport was a sorry state of disrepair before 2019, but by September 2019 they upgraded the surfaces and widened parts of the apron. I was expecting the upgrade to date back to around 2014 / 2015, so I'm assuming Putin started his ambitious war plan of the invasion of Ukraine as early as mid 2019.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,152 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Sad fact is people like Matt Le Tissier etc actually believe these pictures are made up.


    Claire Daly and his ilk shows us that this war isn’t over anytime soon and Russia have sympathiser’s all over the world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭ronivek


    Looks like the UK is now considering sending armoured vehicles to Ukraine as per the Times:

    The Mastiff (from the US Cougar family) and Jackal vehicle types have been mentioned:




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  • Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Putin banned russian visas to»unfriendly» countries a few days ago and EU is also working on similar bans on russians wanted schengen visas,some countries have allready banned anyone with a russian passport from entering.

    Just ban anyone from getting visa,problem solved.

    Let them live in their stoneage country and enjoy everyone hating them isolated from the rest of the world.

    They can threat as many as they like then



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,919 ✭✭✭GM228


    "Now, whether Leninavan is a combat air base is another matter entirely. Looking at the satellite imagery, I'm not so sure about that"

    This is Rostov on Don (Central) Military Airport, home of the the 30th Independent Transport Composite Aviation Regiment and HQ of the 4th Air and Air Defence Forces Army, formerly the 546th Army Air Force Base.

    Only light maintenance done there, there are also regular (every couple of years) air shows held here and a lot of relics on static display.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,533 ✭✭✭Jeff2


    With Daily and wallice etc did Ming give his opinion.?




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,171 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    This #Gostomel twitter thread should required viewing for Mick and Clare, and this ugly beach:

    Ugly Russian bitch.jpg

    As well as the members of the German parliament and government having trouble finding enough motivation to really stop buying Russian gas and oil.

    Warning, it contains lots of horrifying and graphic images that would be put to a war crime tribunal and at sizes larger than thumbnails. The worst I have seen so far.

    https://twitter.com/hashtag/Gostomel?src=hashtag_click



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,734 ✭✭✭seenitall


    Medvedev won’t care two whits about that. It certainly won’t be any child of his who will be blown up by a Portuguese weapon, either defensive or offensive. So much for cause and effect.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,503 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    1945 all over again. We should have guessed that the Russian army would be a bunch of thugs and savages once they got into Ukraine - they haven't changed a jot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,734 ✭✭✭seenitall




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,919 ✭✭✭GM228


    Interesting piece on Alexander Dugin, the alleged brain child behind the annexation of Crimea, and often called Putin’s brain:-




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,049 ✭✭✭Polar101



    I won't shed a tear. What is disturbing is that a lot of Russian officials sound exactly like Zhirinovsky these days.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Looks like that cat is telling reporters how he took out the ruined Russian tank behind them 😸

    Slava Ukraini Kat!



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