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Rugby, Do we need it?

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  • Subscribers Posts: 42,921 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,195 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Any time rugbys popularity is questioned people like yourself dump these links that only make a fool of you.

    Munster v Leinster is the biggest game in domestic rugby.

    It was on a main station, in English.

    The Cork v Waterford game was not the biggest game between the two this year, it was broadcast on a niche channel, in Irish.

    When Cork v Waterford happens in the Munster championship the TV numbers will dwarf Saturdays rugby numbers.



  • Subscribers Posts: 42,921 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Lol

    Yep, down play the point you yourself have been trying so strenuously to make.

    You're gas. No sense of self awareness at all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,036 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Maybe your interest is purely a dispassionate academic inquiry as to why coverage is so high. But if you've been reading the thread, the bitterness is palpable.

    I doubt even 8 teeams go into each world Cup with a serious chance of winning. So what? Ireland doesn't have any realistic chance of winning the soccer tournaments, but it still tries to qualify and I still enjoy the excitement around the country when they do well or qualify for a tournament.

    I don't know what I'm missing that makes some people bitter when they see other people enjoying a sport. But I'm really glaf o dont get it. I just feel happy for others who enjoy the soccer or GAA, even if I don't follow those sports at all.

    Post edited by El_Duderino 09 on


  • Posts: 3,689 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    For the butt hurts here, there should really have been an extra religion called 'Rugby Worship' in the census options.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 93 ✭✭Firminos


    I think maybe people are annoyed with how people go on about how great we are at rugby. When shag all countries play it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,975 ✭✭✭irelandrover


    Do people really go on about how great we are?

    There is a lot of coverage of the six nations as there isn't really another sport on at the time. Its on at a time when the main competition is the GAA leagues which only the hardcore GAA fans really care about, English soccer, and maybe the odd Irish football international.

    The rugby competitions do not clash with other sports main competitions.

    When the soccer euros/ world cup are on they are the main topic in the sports news.

    When the Hurling/Football reaches championship then they are the main topics.

    You can hardly be surprised that the only successful professional teams we have on the island get a lot of coverage in the news.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,036 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    In the context of rugby, Ireland is a top country at the moment. How would you prefer they phrase it?

    Does the phraseology account before the bitterness?



  • Subscribers Posts: 42,921 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    maybe some posters have no idea how crap we used to be in rugby, and why our rise in the era of professionalism is something that is both to be celebrated and something which causes envy in our competitors.

    we went 61 years between grand slams in 1948 and 2009, and then won another in 2018.

    we went through the whole of the 17 years between 1983 and 2000 never beating France in a rugby game. zero from 17.

    In the last 10 years we're 6 wins from 12 with 2 draws.

    We won 6 five nations in 80 years (5 of those shared).

    So far we've won 4 six nations in 22 years.

    We've gotten a lot better than we used to be, its a pity some people feel somehow threatened by this. Its even funnier how much they get annoyed with vodafones slogan





  • I really don't get the fundamental "my sport is better than yours" attitude. We get the same hate up here in the North for ice hockey from Irish League fans. All sports have their quirks, good points and bad points. To be honest I think if you're a sports fan you can watch and enjoy most sports to some kind of level. To be all rugby and completely hate GAA or vice versa is kinda weird. Who can't appreciate a point hit from the midline or a goal saving soccer tackle or an intricate set of rugby passing or a last corner overtake or a quarterback scramble in the pocket no matter what your own particular sporting preference ? I think it also helps to have given these sports a go yourself to understand just how difficult they are.

    Live and let live. Peace.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,195 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    The reality is that rugby support has very little depth.

    Things like Six Nations, RWC, European Cup etc can be high profile and attract a lot of attention, but beyond that support is very thin on the ground.

    That's why I posted about the Munster v Leinster game.

    What would be considered the most high profile domestic game in the country could not sell out a 25k stadium for the first time with unrestricted attendance for over two years.

    The game doesn't deserve the profile it gets given it's level of support.

    Plus it's not a sport that many people can aspire to play at the highest level without financial backing.

    On the rugby board a poster has posted stats that only 32% of the players playing professionally in Ireland come from non fee paying schools in Ireland.

    52% of players in Ireland come from Irish private schools.

    That puts some poor but talented kids on the back foot straight away.

    Finance is not a burden to talented soccer players archiving the highest level.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    In fairness, you could switch the sports around to have this read any y way you like, and it would sound like a dick-measuring exercise.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,036 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    So what if its profile is higher than you think not should be? It's just a sport, it's entertainment. Some people enjoy watching it, some enjoy following it, and some people enjoy whinging about it. Isn't everyone a winner?



  • Subscribers Posts: 42,921 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    thankfully these things are quantifiable

    Event Most Looking Forward to in 2020 (top five only)

    Tokyo Olympic Games – 20 %

    Six Nations – 17%

    All-Ireland Senior Hurling Championship – 14%

    All-Ireland Senior Football Championship – 11%

    Euro 2020 – 10%


    Ireland's Favourite Sport (top six only)

    Gaelic Games – 24%

    Soccer – 14%

    Rugby – 13%

    = Cycling / Tennis – 5%

    = Athletics / Golf – 3%


    every six nations game attracted more viewers than our soccers teams more important game of the season. the six nations games against france and england attracted more viewers than the all ireland hurling final.


    for a sport that "has very little depth" according to tod, it attracts a hell of a lot of viewers ahead of other so called more deserving sports :D


    maybe, just maybe, Tods opinion is based on bias and envy, and not on any actual reality



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,975 ✭✭✭irelandrover


    Everything you've said there about rugby could apply to GAA, local games and league games get poor enough attendance. People show up for the championship. the same as people show up for internationals and champions cup in rugby.

    You brought up the leinster v munster game. Its also very easy to say things in another way. Cork played Waterford in a league final on saturday night, 19000 people attended the game. Munster played Leinster in a regular league game on saturday night, 20000 people attended the game. Both games were live on free to air TV and the rugby got higher viewer numbers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,980 ✭✭✭growleaves




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,036 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Matbe it's the Lyons team, sponsored by Britain's? Hard to tell what the poster thinks going on. Their knowledge of rugby is eclipsed by their crossness towards rugby. That much is clear.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,195 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Either I'm not making my point correctly or you are deliberately not understanding it.

    Sure six nations game attracted more viewers than soccer internationals or hurling finals.

    But the six nations games are the top profile games.

    But go down the pyramid.

    How many watched AIL group games and lower week in week out?

    Compare that to how many watch GAA club games and lower week in week out.

    The GAA attendance would dwarf the AIL attendance.

    That's what I mean about depth, after the high profile stuff rugby interest falls off a cliff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,195 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious





  • Subscribers Posts: 42,921 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    youre rambling man.....

    anyway. ive clearly show my side of the argument. when you want to present your own, let us know.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,195 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    But the rugby game was a much higher profile game in the context of the rugby year, plus it was on a English language station.

    Can you not figure that ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,975 ✭✭✭irelandrover


    The fact is that a regular season rugby league game got a bigger attendance and higher viewer numbers than the hurling league final. You can make excuses for why that is but those are the facts.

    Do you think people chose to watch rugby over the hurling because it was on an english language station? If people did indeed chose that then hurling doesnt really have a depth of support either.



  • Subscribers Posts: 42,921 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    lets not forget that the rugby game was also on premier sports 2 where you can add another very conservative 60k viewers to the RTE numbers above.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭mikethecop


    well no not splitting hairs , pointing out our statement of fact as nonsense and your lack of come back , still waiting for alternative that fits your standards but you wont will you , its all about your hatred of rugby and rugby culture biased on your lack of understanding and personal prejudices.

    Why exactly do you hate to see and Irish team being one of the top teams in the world ? do yo even know your self .

    Again head up to your local club and see what its all about instead of relying on your out of date hateful prejudices and childish old stereotypes, your just embarrassing your self here talking about something which you have no knowledge about same as most threads you stomp into



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,546 ✭✭✭DBK1


    Could I ask what are these “buzzwords” you keep referencing? I’ve seen you mention it numerous times but never the actual words so I’m genuinely curious as to what these are?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,020 ✭✭✭boetstark


    All that jealousy and bitterness must be a terrible load to carry on those shoulders



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,020 ✭✭✭boetstark


    Would you like to elaborate on your reference to Paddy Jackson. I will advise you to be very careful what you put in print buddy.



  • Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Elaborate in what way?

    He tbf is at least not costing irish tax payers any money,as not getting paid by irfu.....we really need to look into getting a cost/benefit anylsis of the money we throw at the irfu


    Ireland is irregardless of how bad we do,ireland never likely to fall outside top 10,and rugby fans will still pack out landsdown road (the oldest rugby ground in world until irfu decided to squeeze more money outta it and sell its naming rights)..perhaps that money could be better served elsewhere



  • Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    An "offload" in any other sport is known as a pass

    How many names,is there for position of the kicker?

    "Pumping the legs" is simply known as running to normal people

    "Out of the rabbithole" is just utter nonsense and beyond parody




    I can really really continue



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  • Subscribers Posts: 42,921 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    FAI say hello

    😂 😂 😂



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