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liamtech · 05-04-2022 05:01PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118884218#Comment_118884218

And later still

Breaking News: Ukraine Navy now possess numerous Borei Class Nuclear Submarines!

liamtech · 05-04-2022 05:04PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118884395#Comment_118884395

OMG LMAO

liamtech · 05-04-2022 05:04PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118884395#Comment_118884395

OMG LMAO

is_that_so · 05-04-2022 05:05PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118884621#Comment_118884621

EU countries and others may have but NATO has not. Geopolitics is as much about action as optics. I don't think anyone is predicting nuclear war but a broadening of the conflict is still just one stupid mistake away. The genuine concern remains that a now tinpot country with a massive land mass, an economy smaller than Italy's, a crap military but nuclear weapons still might resort to using them.

jmayo · 05-04-2022 05:06PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118883981#Comment_118883981

The Czech obviously remember 68.

A pity the Hungarians don't remember 56.

It is so obvious that once again it is Central and Eastern European (will count Sweden in this as well) member of EU that are driving EU sanctions.

If it was up to likes of French and Germans we would still be dealing with Russia.

After all Macron likes to chat to him and the Germans don't want to get cold. 🙄

cnocbui · 05-04-2022 05:08PM

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1511355441405730822

I like how he thinks.

Addmagnet · 05-04-2022 05:09PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118884120#Comment_118884120

Are you talking about Russians in general living here? They're all invasion supporters now, even the ones who aren't? Not because of their views, but simply because they're Russian? Their children born and bred here. Single them out too?

Just wanted to highlight your comment here to say it put me in mind of the US Internment of Japanese Americans. Not a road any country in the world should ever want to walk again, imo.

jmayo · 05-04-2022 05:09PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118884179#Comment_118884179

Seriously John Deere need to start finding out how well they have hacked their kit.

Strazdas · 05-04-2022 05:14PM

One of the bizarre aspects of the Russian media denials of atrocities is that they 'are' showing the destruction in Ukraine at the same time (as part of their denials). What the hell are Russian viewers and readers thinking when they see all the destroyed buildings, roads and infrastructure? So much for their sham "special operation" - every image shown looks like the destroyed Europe of 1945.

threeball · 05-04-2022 05:17PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118884656#Comment_118884656

Every major NATO member has sent "defensive weapons" (somehow C-RAMS weren't considered defensive but thats another days argument). They may not have been sent in the name of nato but nato members sent them. Just like they should now send guided missiles. Mounted anti-aircraft units, helicopter gunships and planes. The upsides are numerous

Beat back the Russian invaders and put them back on their arse for a decade

Stop war crimes immediately

Allow some sort of normality to return which would allow Ukrainian farmers get back to farming and producing food which will prevent crisis elesewhere such as north africa.

The potential to inject huge money into the Ukrainian economy by buying their gas and oil whilst elevating the pressures on countries like Germany.

Its a far better risk reward than the opposite.

threeball · 05-04-2022 05:21PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118884672#Comment_118884672

Should be done across Europe. Any supporters of these nazis should be deported back to that sh1thole immediately.

Hobgoblin11 · 05-04-2022 05:23PM

is_that_so · 05-04-2022 05:24PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118884699#Comment_118884699

There will be no aircraft sent as that is a direct provocation. Anything else goes though. I admire your optimism that this could be so neatly wrapped up. 40+ days of chaos suggest this has a good way to go regardless of what's sent. We are moving away from fossil fuel in the EU anyway so any such future deals look very unlikely.

cnocbui · 05-04-2022 05:26PM

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1511287415918452748

Fucking Russians!

jmayo · 05-04-2022 05:36PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118884260#Comment_118884260

He is not just a comedian.

He has a law degree from Kyiv University, he helped establish a successful production company making films, cartoons, and TV shows including one which starred him as someone catapulted into the presidency.

His father is a professor and department head in a University Computer Cybernetics department and his mother was an engineer.

His grandfather rose to rank of colonel in Red Army in WWII.

The guy comes with a pedigree and his understanding of using media as a weapon is one of the most obvious things of this war.

jmayo · 05-04-2022 05:45PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118884598#Comment_118884598

Somebody put up Gaddafi's speech to the UN a couple of days back.

Now call him what you want, he spoke a hell of a lot of truth in that speech.

The UN has long been a farce that is controlled by the security council which means the big players never get sanctioned and that includes both Western and Eastern major powers.

They ran away from Rwanda and likeswise in Bosnia.

And the ones that got blamed were the troops and their commanders on the ground. (there is even story of returning troops after one of those awful step a side missions supposedly dumping their UN berets on the ground and walking on them as a show of non-respect for the UN)

The decisions were made in New York with input from all the major security council members.

gandalf · 05-04-2022 05:46PM

We need to get expelling, we're falling behind in the League!!

https://twitter.com/FilipHorky/status/1511375231411183618?t=3SoRCL9xzuNynE9iTmzXnA&s=19

listermint · 05-04-2022 05:48PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118884243#Comment_118884243

What many people fail to see often is that comedians due to their role have the abject need to be current, in touch with the pulse of what's going on in culture politics, people's lives. They are often the smartest folks in the room. Without it they wouldn't be able to be funny. You need to understand people.

You could argue he's better than any of your generic career politicians who haven't a clue.

listermint · 05-04-2022 05:49PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118884260#Comment_118884260

Lol just read this after I replied. Similar minds wha. :)

Dohnjoe · 05-04-2022 05:53PM

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1511254429512699904

10000maniacs · 05-04-2022 06:00PM

Hopefully Russia gets kicked out of the UN for their war crimes. The pictures seem to be getting worse by the day.

Warning: Graphic content.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FPgATLfWYAcC1fX?format=jpg&name=large

cnocbui · 05-04-2022 06:05PM

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1511064028579307527

briany · 05-04-2022 06:06PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118884877#Comment_118884877

I've found comedians to be a mixed bag when it comes to political and cultural insight. The ones who go on Question Time on the BBC can go either way. Eddie Izzard was particularly tone deaf that time he went on Question Time to discuss Brexit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDiPAVPz1k4

But Zelenskyy, on the other hand, has been outstanding in this crisis. When it comes down to it, war must be a great focuser of the mind, and Zelenskyy's has been like a laser. Now, I understand that his approval ratings were not that high before the war, and maybe they wouldn't be again whenever this thing ends because the country moves on to post-war concerns and deems him unfit to address them (similar to the way Churchill was a great figure during WW2, but voted out immediately after), but the waging of war is all about the here and now, and I think history will view him quite favourably if he stays the course he's on.

RedXIV · 05-04-2022 06:06PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118884900#Comment_118884900

Jesus thats not even the worst of the photos in that thread. holy crap, do NOT click that link if you have kids.

jolivmmx · 05-04-2022 06:10PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118884935#Comment_118884935

The horrific thing is that certain people seem to be becoming inured to the absolute depravity of the Russian war-crimes.

People have moved on to the next news story, like Will Smith or Harry and Meghan. People have the attention span of a gnat.

We need to constantly remind people until the systematic persecution of the Ukrainian people is halted

Dyr · 05-04-2022 06:12PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118884954#Comment_118884954

Eddie Izzard is a British comedian, that should be sufficient explanation for his pious hectoring of plebs

10000maniacs · 05-04-2022 06:12PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118884971#Comment_118884971

I deliberately didn't show the photo in the clear as it is too shocking for many people. Don't view it if you have any children.

jolivmmx · 05-04-2022 06:16PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118884981#Comment_118884981

I was really disgusted when I saw the poster on this thread and the commentators on the DailyFail berating Zelensky’s appearance at the Grammy Award Show. As if this is some kind of wonderful opportunity for him to schmooze the zelebs.

We need to do everything we can to inform the world of Russia’s heinous war-crimes. It is convenient for the Russian apologists to not click on the link that you provide, @10000maniacs They don’t want anything that makes them confront their world-view

What does the poster who criticised Zelensky think of the pics of the dead children?

malinheader · 05-04-2022 06:18PM

5th round of sanctions. Pathetic. How come all these sanctions were not already in place from the start of the invasion. Totally pathetic carry on. How many fuckin rounds is there going to be. Rape, genocide, torture and children slaughtered. And we're only on round 5.hate to think what needs to happen for round 6.

05-04-2022 06:21PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118884534#Comment_118884534

Cold and hungry isn’t the likely outcome of a nuclear exchange unless you’re maybe in New Zealand and then only if it’s not on the target list.

It’s an outcome where most of Europe ends up dead. Some instantly. Others due to fallout. The likelihood of Ireland surviving a nuclear exchange, despite being “neutral” is slim to none. We’ve a NATO nuclear power next door and two cities on this island are part of that. Belfast was on the cold war Soviet target list. It’s not beyond the realms of possibility that every EU capital might be hit. Other infrastructure here could well be too.

If that didn’t do it, the fallout would as we are too close and in the northern hemisphere.

There isn’t a “little bit nuked” as an option in this. You’re talking probably at minimum a billion people dead and maybe 3 - 5 billion, including everyone in Russia, North America and the EU. They could well target Australia and NZ for all we know too.

The situation in Ukraine is abominable, outrageous and absolutely awful but Russia hides behind a constant threat of nuclear Armageddon. It has up to 6,257 warheads and platforms that can deliver them to anywhere on the planet and the response is similarly huge. That’s the insane reality of it.

It’s basically a rogue state that inherited the former Soviet nuclear arsenal.

World leaders have rather narrow and very grimly imperfect set of choices as a result.

My view of it that Russia has now opted out of the civilised world and more specifically out of friendly relations with modern, postwar Europe. There’s really no context where business as usual or normality can be restored with this level of threat. It’s not not feasible. They’ve created a scenario where they have destroyed any trust and burned all the bridges that had been built.

Russia isn’t some minor state. This isn’t the outcome of some nasty civil war. It’s a massive, nuclear armed military super power deciding to invade a neighbour with overwhelming force and without any threat, rationale or anything else. It did this because it could. That’s the reality of it.

There’s been an understanding in post war Europe that this kind of scenario was never to be repeated again. That’s why have the Council of Europe, charters of fundamental rights, it’s why the EU and other European institutions evolved. They were a peace project at their core, but here we are. Decades later, a major military power rolling tanks into its neighbour’s territory and killing, torturing and destroying.

I think we are moving into a long, grim, new Cold War. The response to this is going to be decades of containment.

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