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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • #43892
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,643 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118880796#Comment_118880796

    I wonder will any members of government get covid....



  • #43893
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118880840#Comment_118880840

    Most of them have.



  • #43894
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,643 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118880846#Comment_118880846

    At the same time as Claire....



  • #43895
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    No.



  • #43896
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,449 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118879710#Comment_118879710

    You really can't isolate the vulnerable in a hospital, Séamus, unless you have single rooms for everyone, which would be ideal / in an ideal world.

    There are just too many people vulnerable.

    We have always kept those infected away from the general run of the hospital / isolated as much as possible to prevent spread to the multiply vulnerable, be they young or old.

    And novel or not novel, that infection rate and CFR is still higher than anything else going around, and thats with the least severe variant.

    No. Its wrong to be suggesting a sort of let it rip at this stage in hospitals, way too risky.



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  • #43897
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,643 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118881406#Comment_118881406

    Why throughout the last 2 years have we not seen plans for new hospitals, to stick where we currently are, rather than speculate about future varients which will hopefully be less widespread "though the media will say otherwise" currently the flu is a far more dangerous illness for the vulnerable, we need more hospital infrastructure for a growing population, not restrictions for what is for most vaccinated people a mild illness.



  • #43898
    cuttingtimber22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭cuttingtimber22


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118881406#Comment_118881406

    Thanks. Always good to hear your perspective.

    it occurs again to me reading this how the opportunity was lost to buy out the private hospitals. I know it is not simple with existing contracts and health insurance but creative solutions could have been found and we could transition more quickly to a universal health model.



  • #43899
    Geuze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,469 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118881469#Comment_118881469

    I think we have enough hosps.

    50-53 for 5m people seems enough.

    We need consolidation, and less duplication.

    I don't think we need to increase the 53 number.



  • #43900
    Geuze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,469 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118881490#Comment_118881490

    What, exactly, do you mean by "universal health model"?

    We already have universal hospital care, as since 1970 everybody is entitled to care in public hosps.



  • #43901
    cuttingtimber22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭cuttingtimber22


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118881729#Comment_118881729

    We have a two tier hospital care system. And even that is a bit confusing where people admitted to a public hospital initially are then segregated due to insurance status.

    People needing consultant appointments (referred by GPs) can have waiting lists of months vs days depending on insurance status.



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  • #43902
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Another nice little drop in hospitals. 1444 to 1360.



  • #43903
    lee_baby_simms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,515 ✭✭✭lee_baby_simms


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118882471#Comment_118882471

    So the public health advice was spot on and Paul Murphy was wrong. What a surprise.



  • #43904
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,449 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118881469#Comment_118881469

    No. The flu is not " more dangerous".. That is a myth.

    Yes. Its just indicative of the constant underfunding and poor management of capital projects in the country, with constant flimflamming depending on which party is in power.

    The way forward is hospitals with extensive numbers of single rooms and appropriate staffing levels.

    In fairness they have made a move on staffing but it will be interesting to see if this is sustained in order to improve the service permanently.

    It is a shame that a more permanent solution like Sláintecare has so far been sidelined by this government.

    So much money goes into private healthcare in this country.

    Powerful stakeholders blocking the way to a Single Tier health system # not in our lifetime.😐



  • #43905
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,449 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118881490#Comment_118881490

    Absolutely.

    I think the mishandling/, underuse of the private system during the pandemic is what crystallised the lack of urgency or interest of hse/government in Slaintecare, especially for those board members who resigned in protest and frustration.

    What opprtunities missed!

    Vast majority of hospitals around the country are mid century buildings or even date back to workhouses!

    They need constant work and upgrading to bring them up to standards of 20th century level.... Never mind 21st century!



  • #43906
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Zero COVID in action for a mere 13,000 cases. Gonna get a lot worse!


    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-60994022




  • #43907
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118884512#Comment_118884512

    An elastic band can only be stretched so far before it snaps.



  • #43908
    Xander10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,774 ✭✭✭Xander10


    So the HSE will continue to pay Tony's €187k salary despite his move to TCD, boosting his pension payout at retirement also. And they will have to pay his replacement.

    Surely this can't be true?



  • #43909
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118884751#Comment_118884751

    It's not true, it's the DoH funding it. Nothing new in this type of arrangement.



  • #43910
    Stormyteacup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,003 ✭✭✭Stormyteacup


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118884850#Comment_118884850

    Maybe nothing new, I don’t know enough about it or know of pervious examples of similar arrangements. Can’t see how it’s acceptable that the DoH will pay his salary for a private gig in Trinity to the tune of 187,000 Euro while paying full salary for a replacement CMO. He’s vacating his role as CMO so why will the DoH still be paying him? I read that Trinity College created the role for him. So they created the role for him in their faculty but they don’t need to pay his salary?

    Also he’s not available to answer public health questions re covid until after the Easter break apparently. Ronan Glynn has been summoned instead.

    They really are playing the public for fools.



  • #43911
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You'd have to say shame on all those people last week that made one last effort to try and have our freedoms removed again for their own selfish agendas.



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  • #43912
    DLink
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭DLink


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118886926#Comment_118886926

    They would have us locked down again in a heartbeat, never forget that.



  • #43913
    shesty
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,918 Mod ✭✭✭✭shesty


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118884751#Comment_118884751

    It is true. I wondered a few pages back what Trinity had offered Holohan for this post, because I honestly did not believe they could match what he was walking away from - particularly at his time in life, when pension would be a priority. Now I see how it is working. I also was curious about the role itself, it seems to be a "floating" role, where he isn't attached to any school in Trinity in particular, which seems odd. That bit isn't so relevant though. I have past experience with secondments, and usually a timeline is put on them - 18 months, two years, whatever - and the company that the person moves to pays their salary. This set-up is a bit unusual.



  • #43914
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118887192#Comment_118887192

    Here's the gov.ie page on secondment.


    https://hr.per.gov.ie/en/corporate-pages/career/mobility/secondment/

    This may explain it.

    A secondee will continue to be treated as a staff member of the parent organisation for the purposes of internal competitions, pay and progression (including progression to higher scales), incremental credit (subject to satisfactory performance), reckonable service, and will also continue to be a member of their parent organisation pension scheme and pay all contributions on the basis of this membership at their substantive grade. 



  • #43915
    Amenhotep
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 206 ✭✭Amenhotep


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118886926#Comment_118886926

    utterly evil evil people.

    In Spain the public health "experts" just turned down a motion to remove indoor masking until at least after easter - and even then they are admitting they don't want to remove it as it's "too risky" and "we don't know what will happen if we do" - ehh apart from all the countries in Europe and the states in the USA that have of course, and had no ill effects from it ?? !! You can't learn from them no ???


    The gaslighting is at the maximum, these people are evil, and would have us all in gulags if they could.



  • #43916
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 895 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The media have loved the covid. Sure look at this - trying to make a shame story out of someone being 'unmasked' in public. https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/mary-lou-mcdonald-maskless-at-sinn-fein-rally-in-hotel-days-before-advising-people-to-wear-them-41525086.html

    Now, MLM hasn't helped herself by going on the radio looking for people to wear them, but what a ridiculous story. It shows both the frothing from the media for restrictions, and the doublespeak by all these people who want masks for everyone, but can't be ars*d themselves.



  • #43917
    Stormyteacup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,003 ✭✭✭Stormyteacup


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118887208#Comment_118887208

    It also explains secondment;

    ’A Secondment is a temporary arrangement which facilitates the release and movement of staff members for a specified period of time in a way which does not affect their employment status.’

    This does not fit with Holohan leaving his role as CMO and accepting a role in the private sector. The announcement was most definitely of a relinquishment of the role, with many politicians thanking him for his service and wishing him well in his change of career.

    It stinks.



  • #43918
    Xander10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,774 ✭✭✭Xander10


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118887411#Comment_118887411

    Agree. A secondment in the public service, from my experience, is temporary and for a specific timeframe.

    It's does stink.



  • #43919
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118887483#Comment_118887483

    Fishy.


    "The Mobility scheme will remain the primary mechanism for the permanent lateral movement of staff members across the Civil Service organisations. The secondment policy will be used to support this scheme to fill time-bound positions concurrent with a strategic project/placement, and in exceptional circumstances the backfilling of vacant positions arising from staff members who are released for secondments/career breaks."


    https://hr.per.gov.ie/en/corporate-pages/career/mobility/secondment/

    Also, where was it advertised?


    "The Civil Service Management Board approved the Secondment Policy which is underpinned by the following broad guiding key principles. A living Guidance and FAQ document has also been developed for use.

    Key Principles

    All secondments will be temporary in nature, and in general will be for a period of six months up to a maximum of five years

    All secondment advertisements will be sent to CSHRD, Department of Public Expenditure and Reform PER (csrecruitmentpolicy@per.gov.ie) for clearance before sending to the Public Appointments Service for circulation to all Civil Service organisations (including bodies under their aegis)."



  • #43920
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118886926#Comment_118886926

    Thank God we don’t live in China. It’s quite unnerving seeing what governments can do and get away with. Not to mention the ilk on twitter calling for lockdowns and restrictions constantly. I would still be a little concerned about our freedoms going into the future. As long as Covid 19 exists our freedoms are still under constant threat.



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  • #43921
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    In the Indo regarding Claire:

    Opening her television show tonight, she said: “I’m back here again."

    I wish she'd stay in it. Totally overrated. Dobson and David McCullagh and plenty others streets ahead. But she gets the show for some reason.



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