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Orban party Fidesz wins election in Hungary

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,355 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    Good riddance, they obviously had enough of that vowel language.......I'll get my coat



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Which of those questions are about gay people

    Which of those questions are about turning kids "queer"?

    Do you ever wonder why you have to insert red herrings to make a point? Or do you just mindlessly repeat talking points?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Orban was not the one who enabled Putins invasion of Ukraine, that was Merkel

    There's a reason why Zelensky singled out her and Sarkozy to come to see those mass graves, he knows they weret complicit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,117 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    If your referring to Gas & Oil , I suspect a lot more than Merkel and Sarkozy in the EU "Enabled" (If that the correct term) Putin's appalling behaviour.

    I think Zelensky's accusations about people be complicated is perhaps OTT, let's be Frank here, who in EU leadership gave a damn about Ukraine before the invasion and more to the point who will actually care when it's over. We've been here before and the hypocrisy is breathtaking. There's a vulgar harsh Realty that will play out when this invasion ends.

    Putin will retain control over the two regions he already controlled.

    Any notion of Ukraine Joining Nato is over and permanently.

    Putin will as he's done before, be brought back into fold and leaders will be falling over themselves to appease him.

    And EU Leaders will be saying , We promised what 🤔 Ukraine, were is that exactly 🤔

    I also suspect any notion of Ukraine Joining EU off the table.

    Nato has been proven to be useless and EU leadership, shallow and weak .

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,462 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    Mod - Can we stay on topic please, if you want to discuss the war in Ukraine in detail please use the appropriate thread



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,874 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    All the EU has pushed is this ultra woke and penal green energy fantasy that is decades off, resulting in dangerously unreliable energy supplies and spiralling prices.

    On food supply, the same mirror image green rubbish has hammered productive agriculture in the same way where food security is also now a disaster. And prices out of control for consumers.

    It scares me when I hear these green Marxists in the EU get up spouting their diatribes as I know it’s the least well off who are going to suffer yet again.

    I’m no fan of Orban, but when I see the above results and look at the crap we have to put up with from our own Green shower I can see and completely empathise with the appeal of an Orban type figure. This appears partly what’s going on in the likes of Hungary.

    Unless the EU becomes a lot more on the side of the ordinary citizen and their every day concerns then I’m afraid it may not last much longer as a Union.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,874 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    In agriculture the EU continually bans all manner of inputs like agrochemicals - without proven replacements- all this while “might” have some environmental benefits results in dwindling food supplies and increased costs to consumers



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,277 ✭✭✭km991148


    There is a lot more than those questions, I'm sure you know this.

    But even the first question alone is worrying.


    (Do you support the teaching of sexual orientation to underage children in public education institutions without parental consent?)


    You think it's appropriate to prohibit children under 18 learning about sexual orientation? What about the significant percentage of under 18s that are gay or bisexual? Or do you think they only magically become gay at 18.

    There is also the promotion of heterosexual lifestyles through tax incentives (and media). Aggressive media campaigns to highlight the amorality of same sex couples and deliberate campaigns to conflate pedophilia with homosexuality (including proposed laws). Anti gay crimes are on the rise and the police are known to turn a blind eye. This is just from the top of my head, but I'm sure you will find the info readily available if you search.

    Anecdotally I've heard from a few different sources how hostile is becoming for any one from a non het background.


    Perhaps a little more reading should be done before conclusions are drawn 🤔🤔



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,277 ✭✭✭km991148


    The ordinary citizen in Hungary is getting absolutely shafted. Most know this but cannot speak out. Do you think the Hungarian police are like AGS?

    Why do you think so many are leaving?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 901 ✭✭✭sameoldname


    Literally the first question in your list talks about teaching sexual orientation. Last time I checked, being gay was a sexual orientation or did you not know that? It's gonna be hard to have a discussion with you if you can't understand what you yourself wrote.

    And you accuse me of being mindless? Well done.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,816 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Many Hungarians have, like Russians, a dangerous yearning for the glorious days of the past when they were part of a great empire. It's also no secret that they were particularly brutal against other nationalities when fighting on the Axis side in World War II.

    Their participation was noted by German observers for its particular cruelty, with occupied peoples subjected to arbitrary violence

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungary_in_World_War_II

    Despite protestations that many Hungarians object to Orban, he does seem to have reawoken this inner fascist in enough Hungarians to continually get re-elected with a massive majority.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    You mean this one, with the relevant part in bold:

    Do you support the teaching of sexual orientation to underage children in public education institutions without parental consent?

    Still selling those Herrings I see.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,277 ✭✭✭km991148


    What is wrong with discussing sexual orientation without parental consent?

    Do we get parental consent for physics or biology or mathematics? What about PE?

    What's so different about sexual orientation? Especially considering a significant percentage of these kids are gay?

    Imagine being 15 and gay in a country that runs homophobic media campaigns and seeks to outlaw discussion of being gay in school.. that's not going to cause problems for future generations is it? Not like Ireland or the UK had such issues in the past and it worked out just fine 🙄


    You also very conveniently missed out half the problems with the current gov in relation to LGBT rights, started complaining about other posters and then make the mad claim that most of EU would probably vote the same... Why let pesky facts get in the way if a good yarn, eh?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 901 ✭✭✭sameoldname


    Ah! So you found the one about gay people! Great! I accept your apology.


    Anyway, moving on. Why should a child need parental consent to be taught that other sexual orientations exist? Should they also need parental consent to be taught that a lot of people don't believe in God? Or that global warming exists? Or that the earth is a sphere?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,277 ✭✭✭km991148


    I find it weird that you think parents need to consent to their children learning about homosexuality.

    After there any other parts of the curriculum you would like to see move to this bizarre model?

    Flat earthers have to opt in to geography? Creationists have to consent to biology? Catholics won't allow mentioning of the Qur'an?

    The curriculum covers sex education. People are gay therefore gay sex and sexual orientation is discussed. Same as heterosexuality is.


    Seems like Orban would love you, you seem to play right into his nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 901 ✭✭✭sameoldname


    Of course parents have a right to know what their children are being taught! Who suggested otherwise? Or is that, dare I say it, a red herring?

    But I don't see why a parent should have the right to veto teaching of the fact that other people may have a different sexual orientation? Maybe you could explain that to me?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,277 ✭✭✭km991148


    Or that maybe the child themselves have a different orientation to being heterosexual.. can you imagine!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,046 ✭✭✭Polar101


    I can't say I never understood Orban's policies - he seems to find a lot of his anti-EU rhetoric from the Treaty of Trianon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Trianon) in 1920, which pretty much cut Hungary's territory down to the areas inhabited by Hungarians. He is very nationalistic and anti-immigration, but seems to want the old borders restored, which would in turn make Hungary a multi-cultural state. Makes no sense to me, but then I'm not Hungarian.

    The "election" results were never in doubt, a lot of the people outside Budapest think they can't afford to vote for anyone else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 901 ✭✭✭sameoldname


    But if the child was never taught about it in school, how could they ever be gay? 😁

    Actually, thinking about it, if that is the mindset of some people, that sexuality is "learned" rather than innate, it rather goes to prove how important it is to teach kids what a load of horseshit that kind of thinking really is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    Will be interesting to see, if European countries move to the right, and the rules change, will the usual suspects stick with the rules are rules speeches.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    More red herrings than a Spanish Trawler 😂

    Is sexual orientation an academic subject now? Why conflate the two? Seems weird and a bit desperate to me.

    I'm trying to imagine a world where requiring informed consent from parents as to what their children are being taught equates to "outlaw discussion of being gay in school", it's a strange and hysterical world occupied by strange and hysterical people. What's more interesting is that the strange people who want push the notion that men and women are entirely inter changeable to school kids always run and hide behind gay people when they're challenged. Are you one of those strange people?

    I presume you are not in favour of parents being able to withdraw their children from religious classes also?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    Why do you find he will of the people "alarming"?? Maybe they are fed up with the looney left makey-uppey feelings based shyte??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    They haven't prohibited anything. Did you read the question? Perhaps you missed the "without parental consent"?

    And tax incentives to raise the young population is wrong why? It should be done in Ireland too, we're constantly told about our "aging population" and that we need to import the third world to deal with the pensions timebomb, so it would make sense to give tax breaks/financial rewards to upstanding parents who have more kids.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,117 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    I find Both extreme Right and Left wing ideology Alarming Generally, I don't discriminate, indeed any extreme views can be alarming.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    Religion in Ireland is generally about Catholicism, especially in religious run schools and in the run up to Communion and Confirmation. Should Muslims etc be made to sit through these classes, without parental consent?

    Do you think the parents would be happy with little Muhammed going home singing "Zacchaeus was a greedy little man, He cheated all the people in the land"??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,277 ✭✭✭km991148


    Hmmm there is hysteria alright but it's not from my post!

    I am not in favour of the Irish style if religion class at all. Where I was schooled we were taught about all world religions. No idea what that's got to do with things (kinda amusing from the poster that bangs on about red herrings..).

    The Hungarian law prohibits any discussion around non heterosexual lifestyles, including sex education.

    If you think that's a wise thing for a society to do then you are either too young or too ignorant to not be aware of the problems caused in pre 90s Ireland or by section 28 in the UK (for example).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,277 ✭✭✭km991148


    I think if you are sending your kid to a Catholic school then the consent is implied. But I also think the Catholic church should have nothing to do with state education and religion class should be about teaching how the world's religions work and not shoving one particular religion down ones throat.

    But none of this is relevant to Hungary banning any discussion on non heterosexual lifestyles, which is what it is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,277 ✭✭✭km991148


    Not only did I read the bit about parental consent, I explicitly referenced it!

    Discussion requires parental consent. Imagine growing up gay with homophobic parents (much more likely when a country is aggressively targeting gay people via the media and other comments).. how do you think that's going to work out?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,277 ✭✭✭km991148


    If you believe it's the genuine, honest m, will of the people then there is little point discussing further. The mass election fraud, gerrymandering and abuse of power by bullying local councils and state run TV pushing the gov agendas had made sure there is no will of the people.


    Maybe look into this a bit more before jumping in with your own makey-uppey "facts".



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    I don't know if you are Irish, but the vast majority of schools in Ireland are are religious owned. You'd have to homeschool if you didn't want you kid going to one. So with no other option, you'd be happy for Muslims to learn Catholicism? Since they sent their kid to a catholic school.



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