Russia - threadbanned users in OP

The interview the two Russian agents who went to Salisbury to poison Sergei Skripal did back in Moscow was fully designed to wind the British up. They went to Salisbury from London two days in a row but they turned back to London after half an hour on the first day. In their interview on Russian tv they said they left Salisbury after half an hour 'becasue it was too cold and Salisbury was covered in snow', this is coming from a pair of Russians used to temperatures of well below freezing. Then they admitted that they might have visited Skripals house by accident but they didnt know he lived there. And then they went on about visiting Salisbury to see its world 123 metre spire, 'the second highest church spire in Europe'

The whole interview and the story the agents concocted was a piss take run by Putin to let the UK know that he did have Skripal poisoned and that he couldnt care less what the British thought of him carrying out poisonings on their soil. Producing the two agents who carried out the poisoning on Russian tv pretending they were tourists was just Putins way of giving London the two fingers.

Not sure if this Tweet from German SPD Politician Florian Post was posted here already who is starting to get a little annoyed:-

Translated as:-

"I don't know if it's just me, but I'm starting to find the Ukrainian ambassador's impertinence unbearable. I condemn Russia's war of aggression in the strongest possible terms, but I don't feel like freezing, nor do I want a 3rd World War #Ukraine"

One of the many replies:-

Germany has found Ukrainian resistance to be a problem.

Easier to be calling for Russia to respect human rights and lives in a quickly conquered Ukraine rather than the current inconvenience.

Zelensky today told Angela Merkel to view the dead in Bucha, that it was on her head.

A powerful challenge to the Kremlin's hireling in Berlin. Naturally she didn't bother to reply, refuses to condemn Russia.

That plays well at home.

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The Balkan Wars?

Don't you mean the Yugoslav War (it's actually a common but incorrect reference to the Yugoslav War)?

NATO's intervention was prompted by Yugoslavia's bloodshed and ethnic cleansing of Albanians, but, despite that there is still some doubt regarding the legality of their involvement, the UN themselves were highly critical of the NATO intervention, in fact I believe NATO themselves were accused of breaking the Geneva Convention due to their bombing campaign.

Any NATO intervention in any conflicts is unlikely to happen again unless it has UN backing.

Yes quiet possibly it could play out as you say or maybe it doesn’t and NATO obliterate Russia. Who knows but what I do know is that there is a guy just like the one you described sitting in Ukraine having watched his wife and 5 year old daughter brutally raped(maybe 2 daughters, maybe a son), then shot dead before his eyes, but it’s not just one guy or one woman it’s 100s maybe 1000s and what you described above is no worse then those innocent people are living for real.

So the answer is Fcuk them let them suffer, it’s not my 5 year old daughter brutally wrapped and murdered, rather them than me? 

Don’t get me wrong the fear of where this could go as kept me awake at night the only concern being my kids and what they could experience but now it’s going to sleep with guilt questioning myself and can I do something can we really sit and watch and do nothing the past 48hrs that feeling has exploded.

Im not sitting here as a key board warrior saying that’s it time to go killing people. But I just don’t know how much more of this we can as a world watch this and do nothing

But that is specifically the US, and not NATO who are making the request.

@GM228 , in fact I believe NATO themselves were accused of breaking the Geneva Convention due to their carpet bombings.

There was no carpet bombing ,in certain areas they used cluster munitions but the majority of the strikes were against military infrastructure and vehicles at the time, before hitting bridges and other economic targets.

Indeed, wrong wording there, I should have said bombing campaign.

There were plenty of non military targets hit also though.

Have they not already killed thousands of innocent people in the first few days? They didn't need Kyiv to achieve that statistic.

From the same party who sold Germany's energy independence in return for lining Schroeder's pockets.

The SPDs are little more than the German branch of United Russia.

Yeah I completely get where you're coming from; I guess I was just trying to make the point that when you sit down and think things through coldly there are just no easy or good decisions here. It's all just a load of seething steaming **** no matter what way you slice it.

My immediate reaction on seeing the videos and pictures from Bucha were: let's get NATO in there and **** the consequences. I don't care to live in a world where this type of thing can happen.

The next day I'm sitting here thinking well okay say NATO goes in and Russia starts getting pushed out... what's to say that Russia won't start raping and executing and pillaging all around as they withdraw? As a kind of "**** you" to NATO because they know they're losing but they also know NATO won't go into Russia proper? What chance do the people of Ukraine have in a world in severe recession because of a NATO/Russia war footing, with a stark East/West divide, in a country ravaged by Russian spite?

Realistically in a war against Russia Ireland will not be getting involved. We don't have any strike capability. The UK has the trident submarine missile capability in which I believe 215 warheads are on hand. Would France get involved in a strike against Russia? NATO is a defensive pact, but they have been involved in offensive actions before.

In reality any European offensive strike against Russia will play second fiddle to Americas nuclear capability. A all out strike against Russia by NATO will surely destroy them. But the question is what sort of capability does Russia have to retaliate? On paper Russia has a huge arsenal of thousands of silo based and mobile launch ICBMs, submarine and bomber launch systems. The question is how many are working or will be intercepted?