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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,250 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    We haven't built it yet.

    You're standing in a field saying 'I can't live here, when it rains I'll get wet' until someone has to explain to you that 'we're gonna build a roof over this bit of the field, and walls too, and even some windows and pipes in and out to put the things we want into the house and take the waste away.

    You don't have the vision to imagine the field turning into a comfortable home

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,594 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    You do know that accusing people of lying as well as you in the past having done the same with posters being re-regs and having multiple accounts are against the rules here. Or at least they used to be but now it seems for some anything goes.

    No lie or twisting anything. Just more baseless accusations by you.

    Who is this "they" you are referring to that are building their own LNG terminal that agrees with your 5 -8 years to build. Are "they" real or just another figment of your imagination.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,250 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    You were referring to the situation of a diverse grid across Europe no?

    And the recent experiences of countries across Europe has shown renewables not having the resilience you've variously alluded to.

    Futher to that, the article linked to above provides details on why other forms of generation backup will likley always be required.

    It has nothing to do with you having "the vision" or imagining "a field turning into a comfortable home" or any other colourful analogy. Rather the issues are rooted in the reality of physics and science.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,250 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    If you care about the realities of physics and science read the IPCC reports. The transition to green energy is politics and economics

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    I have. Thank you. It doesn't mean we get to ignore the reality of a futureproofed and reliable energy supply.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    Greens have passed everyone off, public have seen billions pumped into windfarms and the owners living like Lottery winners, we were constantly told of boundless cheap energy but where are we now, knocking on the door of the most expensive electricity in Europe and 700MW being given away for next to nothing to Data Centres, Any new windfarm will have to be built at no cost to the taxpayer and any infrastructure will have to have minimal impact on citizens. Would go so far as saying corporate enforcement officers should be trawling through every scrap of data in energy companies and if they've being pocketing more than their fair share they should face similar sentences to other organised criminals.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,250 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    You've read the latest IPCC report that talks about this exact topic and has only been released today

    Wow you're a very fast reader

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,718 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    Vanadium costs about 1500 per kw compared to lithium at 1 tenth of the cost and isnt viable for a long tine yet. Iron flow batteries have potential but are totally unproven.

    Is every green solution somewhere in the future?

    None of what you have listed is viable so we all know for the foreseeable future the chinese, indians and brizilians will be mining and destroying mountains, rainforest, glaciers all in the name of the green agenda so ye can think ye are saving the world when the truth is the complete opposite.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,250 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    The high gas price is accelerating what was already exponential growth in investment in alternatives to fossil fuels

    This is why your curated news feeds are full of panicked anti green propaganda.

    Hundreds of billions worth of assets are on the verge of becoming stranded

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,718 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    The problem with the greens is ye cant see that while your house is being built (in the very distant future) you need somewhere to live....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    You said

    If you care about the realities of physics and science read the IPCC reports.

    Your previous comment does not refer to "the latest IPCC reports". But look if you want to score points. I know of a Dart board going cheap ;)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,250 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    None of what you said is true. Vanadium can be produced cheaply at scale, and Iron flow batteries are already being rolled out around Europe right now

    Already commercialised. The only thing that might make them unsustainable, is if something better and cheaper undercuts them, bad news for these specific investors but good news that better tech is widely available

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,250 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    We have somewhere to live. We're living there right now. But our lease is expiring and we can't afford the increase in rent. We can't afford to stay in our current accommodation. There are no planetary bailouts. What is your proposed plan?

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,250 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    May I quote what you said previously?

    "You've read the latest IPCC report that talks about this exact topic and has only been released today

    Wow you're a very fast reader"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,250 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Thank you I couldn't have said it better myself

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    No no they're burning down their own houses, and are now running around like headless chickens in the dark telling everyone we all need new houses else the sky will fall on their heads (a la the French gauls) and everyone else must be just like them even though the greens in Europe and the IPCC have made no such analogies. 😄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,250 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    So there we go. Surprise surprise. The climate change denial. I am so shocked

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Not at all. It's a humorous look at some of the dafter analogies which have little if nothing to do with what the IPCC or others have said 🙂



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,718 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    None of what you said is true. None of your saviour technology gies are in wide scale commercial use but i think you knew that already. Just cant face facts

    https://www.energy-storage.news/when-will-long-duration-battery-energy-storage-take-off/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,718 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    The sky is failing in, the sky is failing in. Why do the greens resort to scare tactics all the time?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,301 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Because it is fantastic way how to make you to buy their bridge they have for sale somewhere.

    Because that is all they can do since what they peddle now is somehow perpetual and cant be mitigated in any way. There was global warming scare which failed, cooling didn't happen as pre the plan either. They cant go with what is most needed like initiative to stop pollution since most of the pollution is done by industry and corporations and it can be undone if there is a will. On the other hand they seems to finally get their baba yaga right.

    Climate change. Along with funny "climate change denier" label. Think about it...

    Too much rain? Must be a climate change and we should do something about it! Increase carbon tax!

    Not enough rain? Must be a climate change and we should do something about it! Increase carbon tax even more!

    Is it going to help? Absolutely not.

    Treating our sewage we sent to sea for example would have much bigger impact on our environment than all of the carbon tax nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    Not sure why you keep on telling me what it looks like etc. It’s not me that telling porkies

    A thread in feedback if you want to discuss that poster. Not sure what relevance it has here as that person clearly supported Sinn Fein.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    What it looks like? You really seem to have no awareness as to how your comment come across and still you fail to answer a straightforward question while accusing others of "lying" and demanding others respond to you. But what has Sinn Fein got to do with anything here? Tbh that type of comment reminds me of when I was younger and my friend’s angry mother would just randomly yell stuff at everyone for no reason. But no matter.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    Do you ever discuss a topic or just spend every day abusing other posters?

    Little keyboard warrior act impress nobody so PLEASE stop quoting me, I have no zero interest in the rubbish you are posting which in majority is wrong, thank you



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    I replied to your comment concerning the content of that comment. And you accusing other posters of being liars etc is indeed abuse. You could admit that and simply answer what was asked and move on but you haven't. I think we can leave it there.

    Post edited by Mecanudo on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    I think much if what is being sold as solutions to the current energy crisis is not much different to pyramid selling, where we are asked to simply believe that something will work at scale. In this instance we know that hydrogen and mass storage are not scalable solutions at this point in time. I would hope that does change, but the reality we are left with is that we are still very much dependent on non renewables for energy generation during the period of transition to large-scale renewable energy generation and beyond.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,594 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Your first sentence is a reply to another poster, so why you included that I have no idea.

    The rest just confirms that this "they" you quoted as backing up your guesswork on 5 - 8 years to build a LNG terminal, like you had no idea either. What that had to do with this "they" supporting Sinn Fein I have no idea either.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,718 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    Yep, it s real jack and the magic beans stuff. We have this super new earth saving technology but no one is using it.... I wonder why

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