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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    What exactly does your version of right look like?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,736 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    one thing this conflict highlights is how easy it is in time of war to be on your own. The town of Bucha is only a few miles from where zelensky is in Kyiv. Yet the difference was unreal. Likewise Ukraine is only a few hours from the heart of Europe. When someone is attacking you it’s generally because the odds are in their favour and they have you alone and isolated. Pretty much as we are on the edge of Europe. Our defence strategy appears to be that we are of no strategic importance and then capitulation followed by guerilla warfare.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,377 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    This report that was on BBC last night is probably the saddest thing I've ever seen :(



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    We have one of the finest organisational networks in the world. It will be our most important asset in the event of any catastrophic national crisis.

    I don't believe it's assistance has ever been needed, but it is demographically perfect and it is pre-existing.



  • Posts: 2,825 ✭✭✭ Esther Calm Valedictorian


    You'd still have to wonder what the Russians were at off the west coast and how easily they went nicely when confronted by a few fishermen.

    It puts a slightly different slant on it given what now has happened in the weeks after.



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  • Posts: 2,825 ✭✭✭ Esther Calm Valedictorian


    That cuts deep :-(

    **** this world sometimes. Seriously.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,377 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    The poor woman is just all alone now with her house half destroyed. Horrible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Germany’s defence minister Christine Lambrecht says the European Union must now discuss banning the import of Russian gas - something leaders have been reluctant to do so far despite Ukrainian urging because of the effect it would have on European consumers.

    With warmer weather coming this might be the time to looks at this.

    Meanwhile EU Council president Charles Michel said further EU sanctions and support were "on their way"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,736 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    If there was nato involvement in Ukraine at any stage launching an attack from the west on undefended Ireland would make perfect sense from a Russian point of view.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    Unfortunately this war is likely going to precipitate a global recession, sad days ahead

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,586 ✭✭✭rogber


    Yeah this whole war just makes me feel humanity is the worst thing that ever happened, the depths of depravity are beyond belief and none of the perpetrators will be held accountable, the West's rhetoric is utterly empty



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,586 ✭✭✭rogber


    "Discuss" is one thing, we'll see what actions they actually take



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    The EU is currently looking to move away from Russian gas and oil so it will happen by year end anyway. The latest images out of Ukraine may spur them to do so faster than that but it's still not going to be a quick decision.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    It involves seeing Russia invade a European country and deciding that they were the chaps to build a gas pipe with that would allow them to invade the rest of Ukraine, not selling them arms, not hobbling sanctions, sending meaningful military help rather than talking a big game


    Basically the exact opposite of what the two pillars the European project have done since 2014.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,489 ✭✭✭zv2


    The tens of thousands of younger Russians who left the country must be in a state of shock seeing how reality doesn't match Russian propaganda. The Russians have a policy of inventing whatever alternate reality they like. I think it was Lenin who said if you tell a lie often enough it becomes a truth. Just wait for Lavrov talking shortly at the U.N.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,586 ✭✭✭rogber


    Germany is already blocking it (again) by saying "it'll hurt us more than it hurts them", maybe that's true, I don't know....

    Seeing the pictures from the weekend the only thing that feels justified right now is to give Russia a taste of its own medicine by bombing their cities, but obviously that won't happen...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,073 ✭✭✭JoChervil



    I am a Pole, so I can tell you that polish government is all talks nothing more. They can't even stop convoys of trucks crossing Poland towards Belarus.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,586 ✭✭✭rogber


    Judging by the 900 cars sporting Russian flags that drove through Berlin yesterday, plenty of them buy the Russian propaganda even when abroad or just don't care. Incomprehensible and nauseating.



  • Posts: 2,825 ✭✭✭ Esther Calm Valedictorian


    The Russian youth will eat that up if the videos of them mocking and taunting Ukrainians are anything to go by.

    It would be incredibly dangerous to let Russia reintegrate back into the world with their mindset. Lifting of sanctions must not be tolerated by the EU population. Finding alternate energy sources needs to go to the top of the agenda and quick.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    And yet they don't have the threat of automatic arrest or a prison sentence. That's the sign of a healthy democracy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Yes, yes we know, Polish government bad, don't like the gays and so forth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭deise08


    Christ lads.

    The fact that there's people actually questioning this out there.that aren't solely fed the Russian speil, That are on this side of the curtain.

    Also that it's not just one or two people, makes me actually lose hope for humanity.


    To see that poor woman in that report. I cried sad tears with her this morning. Still have a lump thinking of j3r.

    And then you've got these sorry excuses for gobshítes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54 ✭✭garlic bread


    This exactly. Looking at these atrocities would make you despair. As a parent myself I find it heartbreaking to look at footage like that, poor woman utterly broken and all those children raped and murdered. What makes these soldiers turn into savages? I know we have seen wars throughout history but how can these things be happening in 2022. Its so awful for us to watch and they are living it.

    An aside, I met a 'friend' over the weekend and Ukraine came up. He started complaining about the government bringing in all the refugees when we have so many homeless. I found myself getting upset, said have you seen the recent news coming out of all the atrocities? Ah well, he says, we can't take on another country's worries. Like wtf, no empathy at all. I had to walk away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,073 ✭✭✭JoChervil


    Never said I don't like them. Yet so many people keep repeating it. So stop patronising me.

    I only call on their populist talks nothing more. A lot of companies based in Poland are still trading with Russia. Yet Polish government will call EU about sanctions, while doing nothing themselves. Words costs nothing. You want to buy it, your choice.

    EDIT: read "guys" instead of "gays", though it is worth considering, if they are gays :)

    Post edited by JoChervil on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,069 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    It's going to take years to fully reverse it but that's what happens when a hostile State becomes the leading energy provider.

    A hostile State that after invading Crimea and Donbass was granted Nordstream 2 by Babushka Merkel and to further earn her crust she started gutting the German energy sector.


    Angela should be sent to Bucha to see the reality her fat pockets are built on. I doubt it would unsettle her one bit.



  • Posts: 2,825 ✭✭✭ Esther Calm Valedictorian


    There's an air of if it doesn't affect me don't be bothering me with some people. I have acquaintances like this.

    I'm very fearful that in time Ukrainian refugees will feel the wrath of the narrow minded over increases in cost of living, lack of accomodation and every other woe they can find.

    Imagine living in your peaceful home with a lovely life and all of that is gone overnight. Loved ones gone, careers gone the life you had planned gone. It doesn't seem impossible now that one day it could happen here.

    Some of the all right jacks need to get that into their thick skulls and show some empathy. As humans we have an obligation to help out the less fortunate and understand them where we can.

    Anyone who complains about bringing in Ukrainian refugees will be promptly told to **** off.



  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It seems to be part of the Russian army indoctrination to treat their own soldiers as sub human, degrade them and after a while they see all humanity as subhuman. The Nazi's managed it with a relatively civilised country for the time (the country of Freud, great composers (let's not mention W), sciences (produced Einstein) - although the Treaty of Versailles sowed the seeds... but, swathes of humans can be brainwashed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 775 ✭✭✭Heraclius


    Most of these types didn't care about homelessness here until they needed it as a debating prop to be anti refugee.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 859 ✭✭✭mikewest


    Angela should be sent to Bucha to see the reality her fat pockets are built on. I doubt it would unsettle her one bit.

    As someone who is not a fan of Angela Merkel I think you are dead wrong here. Her stupidest mistakes all seemed to be made out of an excess of compassion and I think she would be more upset than most if not all world leaders seeing what is on the ground in Bucha.

    She did get the whole energy security thing badly wrong for Germany by doing the "safe and caring" things i.e. what all of us have been told is the "right" thing to do by the green politicians. Not everything politicians do is down to malice or supporting some nefarious agenda much as we would like to imagine. I don't think that consideration of Ukraine or Crimea came into the German energy calculations since 2014.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    I believe we have a duty to help out here , we should take in Ukranian refugees but we also need to not censor debate about our readiness to facilitate the numbers being touted . it seems very unlikely that we can accommodate 100 k ukrainians



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