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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,287 ✭✭✭brickster69


    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,723 ✭✭✭storker


    What they've done to date is already so far beyond the pale that your last paragraph should already be in effect.







  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,467 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,441 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Many have been brainwashed into believing the Ukrainians are actual Nazis. If they are resisting the invasion, that must mean they are anti-Russia, "therefore they must be Nazis".



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,287 ✭✭✭brickster69


    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Torry party and brexiters need Russian money to much for that to happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    It's just so weird that Gadaffi and Hussein wound up on the end of a rope, I can only think of the Petro Dollar as the reason for dictators in loony toon socieities being hung



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,105 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    I would level the same accusation at the Irish government, because it is their and Macron's fault. Here there is both excise and VAT applied, so when the price rises, the government gets a huge tax windfall it shouldn't bloody get because VAT is a percentage. It is well within the remit of governments to maintain the amount of revenue they get from fossil fuels when prices rise dramatically by either having a wholly excise flat rate system or by decreasing the VAT in times like these. But what actually happens is they rub their greedy little mitts together in glee at the prospect of the windfall.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Possibly, but I think the only reason that it has actually worked pretty well so far is that the permanent members includes the major opposing sides who all have a veto. It's weighted against Russia or China though because of France and the UK, so to make it "fair" would need to boot them off their seats, but then it becomes weighted against the US.

    It is likely the best setup that could be done whilst keeping everyone wanting to participate.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 665 ✭✭✭goldenmick




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    But to what end Wibbs? What would Ukraine's reaction be to a 'tactical nuclear weapon' or some other WMD exploded on or over a military installation? Would they capitulate? I don't think so and are smart enough to have their eggs in many baskets. So what would the Russian regime gain from it? They'd have an awful lot more to lose. Isn't that the inherent problem with the nuclear threat - you either go big or go home. If they go big, well major catastrophe for all including many Russian cities. Nuclear weapons are clearly there as a last minute defensive stopgap, they're not an offensive weapon that any sane administration would consider.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,062 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Early days, yet, lad.

    Anyway, the idea that America tries to topple leaders based on which currency they choose to sell their oil and gas in has been fairly well combed over and debunked.


    This isn't to mention that Putin's dropping of the dollar came after he decided to invade Ukraine and the backlash which followed. If anyone deserves the fate of Saddam and Gaddafi, it's Putin.

    Anyway, until the next uninspired episode of "Yes, Russia are executing people in the streets, but what about America?" ...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,105 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    $30 billion - someone can't do maths or is really out of the loop.

    "Mariupol City Council Estimates Rebuild Will Cost at Least $10 Billion"

    "There is a need to allocate EUR 100 billion from the EU budget to rebuild Ukraine’s destroyed infrastructure.

    "A restoration plan is needed, which I also discussed with the President of the European Commission. For example, EUR 100 billion that would be allocated by the European Union to restore the destroyed infrastructure, schools, hospitals, bombed residential areas in the coming years," Prime Minister of Poland Mateusz Morawiecki said, Ukrinform reports." https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-economy/3417882-poland-puts-forward-eur-100b-plan-to-rebuild-ukraine-from-eu-budget.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,459 ✭✭✭1800_Ladladlad


    With what has and is being uncovered in the village Dacha, something a soldier with the territorial defense forces (Sergeiy Torovik (53) said when they had found dead bodies in a basement of a house... “We found 18 bodies in there,”....“They had been torturing people. Some of them had their ears cut off. Others had teeth pulled out. There were kids like 14, 16 years old, some adults. They just took the bodies away yesterday.”

    I posted about this parasite, Alexei Milchakov, way back in the thread. What the territorial defense soldier witnessed is identical to the crimes Milchakov committed while in Donbas. He went from mutilating and decapitating animals to serving in the army where he mutilated corpses by cutting off the ears and the nose. He could well have escalated in the war to the additional crimes above, psychopaths like this escalate in crime. It's been confirmed that he is fighting in this conflict with the Wagner group, so I suspect it has something to do with this

    Alexei Milchakov is a Russian neo-Nazi, who commanded the so-called ‘Batman’ Spetsnaz Rapid Response Unit operating out of Luhansk that reported directly to the GRU. this is where he won the reputation of being a sadist and is known for his barbarity fighting against Ukraine in Donbas, 2014-15. A level of depravity akin to the SS-Dirlewanger Brigade. I'm not surprised as he was convicted in his native St Petersburg over his sadistic cruelty to animals. Milchakov was an instructor in a camp where 300 young Russians were trained to be fighters in the Moscow region. The subversive and reconnaissance military group 'Rusich' which includes Russian nationalists set up by him was also utilized the training of young and old recruits, and waq present in Donbas. In addition to this Milchakov went on to fight with the Wagner Group in Syria

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    I agree with Sergeiy, the soldier:

    “The Russian soldiers are lower than animals. Animals don’t do what they did. We shouldn’t take them hostage. They must die. They must be destroyed.”



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    If Russia launch a nuke to make a point then NATO should then respond. But they don't have to send more nukes back at Russia which just leads to know where good. They could use masses of conventional bombs on any number of military bases along the edges of Russia though and have a sufficiently devastating effect on them.

    If Russia does want all out nuclear war then the west can launch back at them, but don't need to do that from a one off strike. It must be possible for Nato to give Putin a very bloody nose in response, without needing to resort to nukes themselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    They are too stupid to be capable of comprehending any kind of universal fairness.

    They are intellectually infantile and unable to appreciate any other person's existence, let alone quality of life.

    Some of them enjoy doing these things and take full advantage of the smokescreen of war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,067 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    No I'm not a Russian bot, I think that the best tech in the world should be given to the Ukraine forces and that given the political instability that this war may lead to that NATO intervention in the Ukraine may be warranted and that every effort should be made to ensure as many Russian soldiers are killed as is possible.


    Pointing out that Putin is a gentle pussycat compared to the Soviet Union leaders under which he was formed isn't a good thing about him but how incredibly murderous Communist Russia was.


    That shouldn't be white washed from history and it largely is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,393 ✭✭✭MonkieSocks



    =(:-) Me? I know who I am. I'm a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude (-:)=



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,931 ✭✭✭PrzemoF


    Can we keep watching what's happening in Ukraine and keep thinking "we are not going in to avoid escalation"? What would be an escalation if civilians are tied and shot in the back of the head? Raped, mutilated, burned, tortured and then driven over with a tank? It can't get any worse except the numbers going up, but they are going up anyway.

    P.S. German president organised concert in his Berlin residence with Russian singers (among others) and invited Ukrainian ambasador...

    P.S.S a Polish priest said during a mass in Poland today it's all fault of USA and now USA is trying to blame Russia. I can't comment on that...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,139 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,287 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Why would NATO attack Russia when they have not invaded a NATO member ?

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,393 ✭✭✭MonkieSocks



    =(:-) Me? I know who I am. I'm a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude (-:)=



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    They've only waving the prospect of early lifting in order to make it obvious that Putin's only interest is land grabbing and they know he doesn't want to be seen to have been forced to negotiate. It may be so that he can't say "why negotiate, the sanctions are here for the foreseeable future?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,475 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    If anything, when word reaches Mariupol of the massacres and war crimes., something will become clear very fast. Surrender is a death sentence. Fight on.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 803 ✭✭✭technocrat




  • Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Gadaffi didn't end up at the end of rope and there were a lot of calls for a full investigation into his exjudicial death at the hands of his captors. None for Sadam but some for the killing of his defence lawyer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,916 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    The NATO nuclear powers and Russia signed a treaty when Ukraine gave up nuclear weapons. If they wanted to respond in kind to a Russian attack on Ukraine they could cite that treaty.

    "It gives signatories justification if they take action, but it does not force anyone to act in Ukraine."

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Seems that declaration wasn’t worth the paper it was written on. Symbolic international declarations without anything to back them up.

    It also raises the question of whether anything that Russia signs up to actually means anything.



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  • Posts: 1,010 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    He ended up at the end of a stick(up his bum) when he was dragged from the storm drain and killed by the mob



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