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Rugby, Do we need it?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,863 ✭✭✭RobAMerc


    yes we need it, if only to have something else on the sports news than fupping premiership soccer. Yesterday I had to hear how the manager of an English team said one of his players was sad because he didnt win a ball game. FFS ! How is this worthy of news ? There is a bunch of ( admittedly mostly foreign folks in Ireland jerseys ) Irish people in China risking their necks in snow sports - and instead I have to hear one grown man talking about how another grown man is sad coz he didnt win ? What the actual ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,734 ✭✭✭Duckworth_Luas


    The Premiership is basically Coronation Street for dull, vapid men, just as soap operas are aimed at banal, personalityless women.

    The game itself is extremely boring, with the vast majority of matches being unexceptional.

    For that reason news outlets need to write about anything else even remotely soccer related to fill up space. So there are stories about your sad player or the guy who is now more famous for kicking a cat than a ball.

    Every year, at Six Nations time, there is an anti-rugby football thread started on Boards. Same goes when the RWC is about to kick off.

    There is also about four anti-GAA threads started every year on this forum.

    Both rugby football and GAA fans are always able to deal with the rabid criticisms of their sports from TV soccer fans in a reasoned and calm manner.

    Any threads that criticise soccer are immediately shut down as the man-childs who support their TV teams go bat-$hit.

    Deep down though they know that the Emperer has no clothes and can't deal with it.

    I don't include LOI fans in this as they come from an actual soccer culture, whereas Irish Premiership fans are basically just watching the sporting equivalent of I'm a Celebrity, Let Me Out of Here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,823 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    I wouldn’t be too quick to “excuse” the LoI fan in this one, D. Certainly not the more recent converts. The number of LoI fans has increased, dramatically, over the last few years.

    It is well known that there is a direct correlation between the, sharp, decline of Manchester United and the, sharp, rise in “support” of the LoI. Mostly with Rover or Bohs.

    I would have great fears that if United were ever to turn things around and to start competing for the English premiership or Champions League that these, fickle, “fans” would be straight back into the pub, roaring at the TV screen, old United jersey stretched over their protruding gut and the LoI they’ve been so passionate about, with all its “purity”, will be long forgotten.

    These guys have no loyalty.

    EmmetSpiceland: Oft imitated but never bettered.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 691 ✭✭✭BaywatchHQ


    Where I live it is mainly a game for Protestants. I don't get too heavily interested in any sport nowadays as i just feel bitter at the athletes knowing they were blessed genetically and have a better life than me. For example my old school won the Ulster GAA cup today and it was grim to watch them winning at life. People like that don't even know how well they have it in life. They just jump from one success story to another.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 322 ✭✭Fiyatoe




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,960 ✭✭✭✭Rothko




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,639 ✭✭✭completedit


    Exact same as me. Can't watch sport for this reason. I still play though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,195 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Last night.

    Biggest game in Irish domestic rugby.

    Munster v Leinster.

    Both teams with internationals back.

    In Thomond the spiritual home of Irish rugby.

    First game between the two with unrestricted attendance since late 2019.

    Full house you'd expect.

    Tickets would be gold dust you'd expect.

    No chance, not a sell out, about 20k in a 25k stadium.

    That's where rugby is at.

    Even the most high profile non international game can't sell out an average sized ground.



  • Posts: 3,689 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ^^^ No retort so far to taking the holy game of rug in vain.....All quiet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,823 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    Yeah, the Munster fans didn’t fancy seeing their boys take another beating.

    But, really, you’d have imagine there was a few who would have wanted to watch the hurling league final so a pub, or home, was the better “option”. Was flicking between the 2, myself.

    Some of us, here, would be weighing up the “necessity” of travelling south for the game. While restrictions are gone it’s still wise to be cautious. And that decision wouldn’t have been taken lightly, have been to Thomond, myself, a few times and it’s always a great day out.

    Rugby is in rude health in this country, contrary what some malcontents, on here, would like you to think.

    EmmetSpiceland: Oft imitated but never bettered.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 455 ✭✭KieferFan69


    Touch of jealously perhaps on your part , rugby have become most important sort in Ireland after your gaas . Nobody heard of football team (or care) but around the globe people chant and respect Irish rugby team, as as Japan as far as US



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 455 ✭✭KieferFan69


    Also person like yourself become overly anxious about quality of oysters and spelt bread in limerick , you have finest team, but you are shameful complete , in reverse we match you and ride you, same with ads and funds



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 455 ✭✭KieferFan69




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 455 ✭✭KieferFan69


    Yes I realised many years ago that to play football is a beautiful thing, for fun to trick a few balls, to dripple, slice a kick everyone laughs, beautiful bit of skill as member brushes past mate on other team, amused with friends and pint after, but this sport very dull to watch IMO

    I tgink you can’t watch football and say it’s interesting unless you read and gave interest in prices for players and budgets of club and who is plugging who and the wifes etc. Surely the game itself is not interesting to warrant attention to watch



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,823 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    Have never been a fan of oysters, K. Everything about them makes me, shall we say, uneasy. The consistency, and saltiness, has always turned me off. Just not my “thing”. Too spunky.

    As for the rest of your post, I’m sure I don’t know what you mean.

    EmmetSpiceland: Oft imitated but never bettered.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 455 ✭✭KieferFan69


    Ah ha. Trick is to drink salty shot back to throat at room temperature with mineral tasting wine (I prefer lanquedoc) . I take girlfriend and family to Kinsale for platter ever summer and then serve seafood later too



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,843 ✭✭✭Deagol


    And yet the Div 1 National Hurling League final had an attendance of 18930 in a stadium that holds 45690..... And the largest crowd at any soccer match was less than 6000.

    So the Munster Leinster match was by far the best attended match this weekend. I fail to see what your point is...other than being a troll of course!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,006 ✭✭✭WesternZulu


    There were 32k at the D1 and D2 football finals in Croke Park.

    Now I know there were 4 counties involved but that's still less than the 18 counties represented by Munster vs Leinster.



  • Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Rugby is played in like 10 countries,ireland have never made it past the last 8 in a world cup


    Pretty sure no rational human can "respect" that achievement....which given the lack of any actual skill level involved is an achievement of sorts....how or why this rubbish gets so much airtime on tv is completly beyond me



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,452 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    I always find it interesting, or contradictory rather that you always trot out the “it’s only played in like 10 countries” argument against rugby despite being an avowed hurling fan.

    How many counties in hurling can stake a genuine claim to being competitive? About 10? If even? Does that make hurling pointless? Or the competition and rivalries any less fierce every year? Of course not, the same goes for rugby, just it’s on a larger scale.



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  • Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Your free to make that point.....but no hurling fan is claiming its county is respected/chanted across the world (or indeed across ireland),


    despite having never won a knock-out competitive game,irish rugby fans are to rugby,what english soccer fans are to soccer


    Such over indulged (see excessive tv coverage),sense of self importance is near entirely the preserve of rugby supporters,whom even at worst of covid,when noone could go anywhere/do anything lobbied TDs to try get a school game played


    Team of us,me hole



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,452 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    Ah yeah I dunno why I bothered tbf, you’ve proven time and again you’ve no interest in having a rational discussion on this topic.

    You’re just blinded by hatred. It’s a bit sad - you’ll say you don’t care but yet any time rugby is mentioned in AH/CA there you are

    Anyway as I’ve said there’s no point in me wasting my time attempting to engage in discussion with you in good faith re rugby. It’s a shame really, in all other matters you’re a logical and agreeable poster



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭mikethecop


    Christ your bitterness is palpable , did some privet school boy steal your Mrs or something

    its nearly funny how much people celebrating Ireland being good at a sport angers and annoys you :-)

    and your wrong in nearly everything.

    Irish provinces have won 7 European cups and lenister is one of the best teams in the world (not a lenister man )

    Kilkenny teams have been know and admired across the country for the style and class of their hurling (im not from killkenny btw)

    English football fans are hated the world over for being violent hateful vicious little cowards , how are Irish rugby fans like that ??

    every sport from basket ball to billiards lobbied for reopening



  • Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Except i dont hate rugby?


    Just the sight of buzzwords and hype to paper over a lack of any actual skill level and being sold to unsuspecting public,then inducing kids to play a game that simply isnt safe


    If you went out tomorrow,picked someone who is under 25,over 6ft5,17 stone plus,with low to moderate motor skills,who never played rugby....chances are after a few weeks "training" they would likely start and play at a reasonably high level



  • Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Easy to be "good" at a sport with little to no motor skills involved and played by at best a dozen countries😅


    Quite how/why this sport gets so much air time and clogs up tv schedules for weeks on end and near blanket coverage on sports pages,considering its relatively small playing population is beyond me.


    Such a bunch of over inflated self importance....tell me,did the irfu comission a report into last wrc,which concluded that anxiety at playing the golaiths of world rugby-japan,was to blame for another crash out?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,452 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    Case in point. I don’t know why you bother with this nonsense

    You’re so wrong that it just comes off as either trolling or astoundingly ignorant



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭mikethecop


    I see you know as little about rugby as you do hurling,

    there are 20 teams in a RWC , collage rugby is driving interest in country's across the world , America eastern Europe Scandinavia

    No one is forcing you to watch it you know ? and god knows the quality of club and inter pro rugby is better than the LOI dribble that does be on the tv

    Munster Ulster and Connaught rugby as well as the AIL offer so many opportunities to young people, Lenister less so ,

    So why the unbridled hatred of rugby blazz , is it all those protestants ?



  • Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Rugby is tradionally regarded as divided between north/southern hemisphere


    Which is admirable for a novel approach,until you realise the southern hemisphere is simply 4 countries and a scattering of micro-nations in the pacific




    Its on all the time on tv,i watch it,and see how people might enjoy it,in a masochistic sort of way,its certainly not for any preceived skill levels......but the utter bollocks,buzzwords and hype would ans should,anyone with cognative ability above a turkey


    Its too dangerous a game for ungerage kids to play imo,even a welsh player had to retire during the week from a concussion injury goinga back years,and noone seems to stop for a second to ask if its safe for kids to play?



  • Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Lad,i know people who taken this game up in their late 20s early 30s and play to reasonably high club level as the club gaa was getting too serious (a big flaw in gaa,too many take it too serious)


    Its catch and throw,backed up by crash/tackle....a display of extra-ordinary motor skill levels it is not.....like fair play to lads athletism(the meme its for fat blokes is overblown),but its simply not skillful or deserving of its endless hype imo



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  • Subscribers Posts: 42,921 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    It's actually hilarious to see how much a marketing slogan of a phone company gets some people so riled up.....



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