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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,334 ✭✭✭RGARDINR


    To be fair to China its probably the smart thing for them to do right now, military aid that is not military personnel. They don't need to have a weak authorian Russia beside them who has been humbled by Ukraine and the west and is set back probably 10 to 20 years. I think China realises the longer this war goes on the better as all eyes will be on Russia and let's them build up their military for more then likely their invasion of Taiwan down the line. Let America and the west be preoccupied with Ukraine and Russia and less what China is doing. I think China realises once this is over calls might be made to supply Taiwan with billions of dollars in military equipment on top of what there getting. Imagine if tens of thousands of stingers and javelin missiles were supplied to Taiwan it would probably stop a Chinese invasion from getting off the beaches as you can see how deadly they are been used against the Russian military. All eyes will turn to authorian China after Russia and I think the Chinese are waking up to this now.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 665 ✭✭✭goldenmick


    @Malaysia Lively Certificate - The chinese are not to be trusted, they are replaying the russian propaganda on their news.


    China are not going to get involved any time soon. Their economy would collapse should Western countries cease trade with them. For example 15% of US trade alone is with China.

    There's plenty of whispers about, but it would be suicide for China to become embroiled in a war that has nothing to do with them, and that could then quickly escalate into a global conflict. And they know this. Xi Jingping is a lot shrewder and much more astute than Putin will ever be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,114 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Now is this a reiteration of a previous commitment or is it new? They were promised 100 switcblade drones previously and I thought then that 4 times that number would have been more like it. If this is more, why didn't they send them previously instead of this dribs a nd drabs approach?

    Further down that thread someone posted an insane inventory of what the US left behind in Afghanistan. They were possibly more generous to the Talibabn than Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 805 ✭✭✭CB19Kevo


    Not one bit worried about damaging relations with Russia, Worried that we have not stopped relations with Russia!

    Russia have made the choice to do evil, lets not engage with such people and instead focus all our energy on helping Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,234 ✭✭✭scotchy


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  • Posts: 2,015 [Deleted User]


    Looks like Ukraines special forces are on sabotage duties again,this time using IEDs




  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,934 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    It depends on the contract under which the equipment was provided. It is extremely common in arms deals to have some form of limitation that there will be no further sale without the permission of the originating government.

    Of course, that sort of thing is only actionable after the fact in court.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,412 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Well they were involved..

    Having launched a heap load of cyber attacks across Ukraine services and infrastructure in February before and during start of the war.

    So looks like the have thrown in their lot already. They're never sending troops because that's not the Chinese way. It will be money and trade assistance



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭deise08




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,648 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    They might already be "embroiled" as it appears the cyber attack on Ukraine civil and defence systems at the commencement of the invasion was of Chinese origin.


    As someone already posted the war with authoritarian regimes has been under way for some time. The West has chosen to ignore it and any incendiary utterances made by Moskow or Beijing. It's long past time to get the finger out. China are well fit to stand on their own now without the West anyway so let them at it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    When it comes to foreign policy matters it’s about power not good or evil, just making them weak and us strong. This is the way of things all major powers play this game and by those rules.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 545 ✭✭✭Crocodile Booze


    It's all about the money.

    China will not risk sanctions and financial repercussions by alienating their biggest markets.China are just flexing some muscle but won't fully back the Russians.

    It's all about the money.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,578 ✭✭✭XsApollo


    China still get preferential treatment due to being classed as a developing country by WTO.

    we really should be focusing on moving manufacturing out of there.

    there are countries in the EU that aren’t massively expensive to manufacture and could use the boost or the increase in wages and living standards that big manufacturing companies can bring.

    even if stuff gets more expensive then so be it, the money will staying in the Economy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,934 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Nobody knows what China will do. All this talk of economic suicide needs to be balanced with the fact it would be similarly devastating for western economies.

    Similar to the current game of chicken over pay in rubles or we turn off the taps. Both sides lose.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,481 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,764 ✭✭✭✭Headshot




  • Posts: 7,946 [Deleted User]


    Second largest economy in the world getting preferential treatment... God help us when they are Developed. 😏

    I'm sure they'll be grateful for the preferential treatment as they laugh their arses off.



  • Posts: 7,946 [Deleted User]


    If Putin had any balls he'd put that teacher in charge of his military. At least he'd be told the truth.

    Just had a thought, when reporting along the chain of command are the military legally ALLOWWED to tell the truth or are they subject to the same risk as the teacher?

    Crazy if you think about it, but...

    GENERAL. We are retreating from Kyiv, after taking heavy casualties.

    PUTIN. Thank you for your informative report, Sergey. But, you have also broken the law and are hereby sentenced to 15 years in prison.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 513 ✭✭✭The HorsesMouth


    People making excuses for China just like people made excuses for Russia 3 months ago.

    We're fooling ourselves with the China will not get involved rhetoric.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,289 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Ukraine asks Slovenia to remove it's flag from Kiev's embassy because it looks similar to Russia's flag. 🤦‍♂️


    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,326 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    A product of their culture and it's narrative and propaganda. The kids feel and have been primed to think they're Doing The Right Thing. As the Jesuits said; give me the boy I'll give you the man. Fifty years ago if she was a teacher in an Irish school and came out with accusations against the church of child abuse etc, the kids would likely tell their parents and the poo would hit the propellor. Now she wouldn't have gone to gaol of course, but she'd almost certainly have lost her job. Today if she made the same accusations she'd likely be universally praised for exposing the sins of that institution. I don't blame the kids, I blame he cultural and political landscape they've been born into.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,735 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    What exactly are Russians angling at when they keep going on about 15000 people killed in Donbas over the last 8 years.

    Are they trying to make out the Ukrainians killed all those people?

    Are they trying to say the west ignored that conflict so why are they getting their knickers in a twist now? ( stupid argument although fair criticism to say what the west done since 2014 was outright weak ass appeasement)

    But the Donbas and crimea conflict is entirely the fault of the Russians too is it not.

    How can they use it in their defence so much?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 665 ✭✭✭goldenmick


    I obviously meant involved militarily.

    China may well have done some "cyber" assisting at the outset but like many, it's likely they've also had the wool pulled over their eyes by Putin who would have indicated it was a short in and out job in separatist regions.

    You wont see any military assistance from China whatsoever as the results would cripple them, in addition to being the precursor to another World War. It's my belief that this conflict will die a slow death and Russia will settle at the negotiating table the moment they've secured the regions in the east. That's not to say that Putin wont still be a massive danger in the future if he remains in power as he'll believe in his mind that there's "unfinished business".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,898 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Their (largely baseless) claim is that 'ethnic Russians' in those regions were oppressed prior to Russian intervention.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,416 ✭✭✭sjb25




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,169 ✭✭✭Comer1


    "Very scummy thing to do."

    As a secondary school teacher, those Russian teenagers turning in their teacher doesn't surprise me one bit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,919 ✭✭✭GM228




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,931 ✭✭✭PrzemoF


    List of companies that are still operating in Russia: https://yale.app.box.com/s/11lqy1d3yn1kf9xa3r96k9sb6w5m4qea

    Please check especially if you plan to buy some electronics - quite a few PC/mobile phone conpanies are in the list.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,770 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    I read it couldnt happen from the US as any arms sale needs an export license to be approved by Congress and them voting for that would effectively be the US entering the war. They already scuppered the Poland to Ukraine MiG deal so its not happening.

    This in relation to Sean Penn calling on billionaires yesterday to crowdfund and buy Ukraine a squadron of fighter jets. I had to check it wasnt an April Fools gag but he was deadly serious. More than likely the idea came from Zelensky himself as Penn is close to Zelensky, he has been working with him filming a documentary on Ukraine for Vice. Zelensky facilitated him filming on the front lines in Donbas last November and he allowed Penn to film a war cabinet meeting in Kyiv just two days before the Russian invasion began. Given Penns good timing and access to Zelensky the documentary still in production is now considered hot property, they're expecting a bidding war between Amazon and Netflix to secure the rights to it.



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