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Connacht Team Talk Thread VI - Some like it TOH

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭ClanofLams


    Feels very much like a tipping point for Connacht currently. Covid halted the new stadium momentum, the league is getting tougher, some people seem to have fallen out of the habit of attending games. I don’t track attendances but certainly seems to be less people going to games generally since restrictions were removed than there was in 2019/2020. 40 point hammerings won’t bring back the casual supporters or keep new supporters interested.

    In a few years there could be a new top class 12k ground with a competitive team and growing fanbase or it could be the same ground with a new pitch, a bottom of the league team and declining interest.

    We also have the most promising batch of youngsters we have had maybe ever with Niall Murray & Cian Prendergast leading the way, the likes of Tierney Martin, Darragh Murray, Oisin McCormack, Cathal Forde & Shane Jennings following quickly. Again can obviously go one of two ways.

    The current set up, especially Friend and Wilkins, haven’t delivered the required standard. The next few years are too important for Connacht for the IRFU to baulk at paying the six month salary necessary to allow changes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 595 ✭✭✭jimdemp


    Think some of you guys are being very harsh on friend. First time Connacht have got to a knock out Champions cup, Beat scarlets away for the first time, Beat the bulls and stormers, Beat Ulster something connacht could not do before friend arrived, would have beaten munster twice only for bad ref. Hanson has been with Ireland more then Connacht something you never get with a new signing. Losing to leinster with 14 players is not the end of the world. Friend cant do much when Carty doesnt find touch then Daly gets a red in the following play. Both senior players



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,329 ✭✭✭TRC10


    First time Connacht have got to a knock out Champions cup

    They aren't in the knockout stages because of anything they did. They're only there because they changed the format so that twice as many teams qualify. They lost 3 from 4. It would have almost been harder not to qualify. In the previous format they'd have come bottom of their group. They're going to get beat by at least 50 points over the 2 legs v Leinster.

    Probably not popular opinion but it's true.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 882 ✭✭✭Lsdrugbyfan


    Friend isnt being sacked, Wilkins maybe...



  • Posts: 1,478 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Leinster are almost certainly going to batter Connacht but is that Friend's fault? Leinster would batter Munster too in Europe, imo, they are questionably the best side in the league, even their second string side would probably beat most sides.

    Connacht can't really compare themselves to Leinster. Leinster, much as it pains me, have a squad that can practically beat the All Blacks.

    I'm not convinced Friend is the answer but you need to realistic as to what any coach could achieve with the squad.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,058 ✭✭✭Zeugnis


    To Carty and Daly's, you can add Heff's crooked thow to concede the scrum which would result in Leinster's first try. At that point we're just a maul and a scrum penalty away from a full house of classic Connacht errors.

    So yes, senior players, not all Friend's fault by any means. In addition to not believing that the IRFU will break his contract, I also think he should be given next season - he's got a front row seat to the problems, give him an opportunity to fix them.

    As regards Europe: we should have won three out of four of our Champions Cup games but... Instead we're in this nightmare with Leinster. A couple of seasons ago we were winning tight games, that's rare of late.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,511 ✭✭✭Wegians89


    On TH I believe jackman said on the 42 podcast that Connacht were in the market for one. Friend then came out and said they were looking for one more signing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭ClanofLams


    I think the point the poster was making stands. Friend doesn’t get much credit for Connacht first time reaching the knockout stages when that involved one win out of four. We have had better campaigns previously but 16 out of 24 teams weren’t reaching the knock out stages then.


    Most Connacht posters here are supporters who are at every game I would guess and largely realistic about what any coach could do. What’s well below standard is getting hammered by the Dragons at home, conceding 50 points to Edinburgh seconds (given ten internationals away and few injuries) on two occasions, conceding 50 to Leicester 2nds/3rds etc. Nobody expects to win the league.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭ClanofLams


    The alternative view is that next seasons will be Friend’s fifth in charge. None of these problems are new, maybe they haven’t happened together to the same extent in recent seasons but they have all been there at one point or another. It seems unlikely he will find the answers four years in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    I don't think the squad is weak or that players have checked out. Their is a lack of depth in areas that need addressing. Th obviously and oh. Carty is a good player but he's too inconsistent and seems to lose focus. I can't see him getting chances with the national team.

    The good news is there's a glut of new talent. The incoming players from Leinster will be a plus. Loose head should be fairly good. Tight head is weak. Aungier has not really kicked on. It's not like he hasn't had chances. I still think he could be a good player.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,116 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Yep, exactly this. There doesn't seem to be any indication that things are moving in the right direction.

    The guys coming next season are decent - I think Josh Murphy is going to be a great signing - but they're not game changers by any stretch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,058 ✭✭✭Zeugnis


    The problems have moved around, and many have been solved. Our lacl of squad depth produced a huge problem at second row a couple of years ago, Murray and Dowling have developed. This season the big concern was at LH, Burke has done well and the feared collapse there didn't materialise. Our maul was leaking tries at a disturbing rate, that has mostly been fixed. Now there are new problems, foremost at TH. Existing defensive weakness in the back three has gotten worse, and in the last couple of games the midfield defence by our centres has been very poor. The latter is a somehwat new issue, as Daly had been doing a good job on that front.

    Of course, I feel the frustration and a certain despondency. But I'm dubious about quick fixes based on totemic changes in the coaching team. To return to the issue of leadership, we do need an inspirational figure in the front eight. I don't know that will be delivered by the recruitment at TH. Maybe it can come from within, but Connacht need to keep watching the Edinburgh game until they come up with an answer. There needs to be somebody there who ensures that when **** hits the fan, you don't drop the head and take a backward step.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭ClanofLams


    I meant overall issues rather than positions.

    Our defence has been weak for a few seasons now, somehow the coach in charge of the worst aspect of Connacht’s game for the previous two seasons was promoted at the end of last season. Simply doesn’t reflect well.

    The last three seasons we have had games we were favourites in or 50:50 at worst due to extremely weakened opposition Edinburgh twice and Leicester away last season, not only lost but taking a hammering and conceding 50ish.

    Losing games from very winnable positions, nearly 20 up with 20 to go at home to Leicester this season being the most recent example.

    Not performing in games Connacht are clear favourites in, Dragons at home probably the standout example from this season, games away to Cardiff where they were down the guts of 15 to international duty and injury with Connacht having a relatively first choice team in recent seasons.

    There’s always talk about learnings or whatever, but there’s very little evidence when these scenarios pop up repeatedly that anyone has learned anything at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 882 ✭✭✭Lsdrugbyfan


    Friend is very media savy and is on twitter, it has helped him escape criticism in the media



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 882 ✭✭✭Lsdrugbyfan


    3 weeks for Tom Daly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,058 ✭✭✭Zeugnis


    No argument with that. The decision lists the games for which he will be unavailable, and includes this:

    "Connacht v Leinster (April 15 – This may be replaced by World Rugby Coaching Intervention Programme)"

    https://www.unitedrugby.com/latest/news/disciplinary-decision-tom-daly

    What does that mean?



  • Posts: 6,773 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    He does a day course and can play the 3rd week



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,116 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    This 'intervention programme' thing is such a load of bollocks.

    Practically speaking, assuming Aki is back, it makes no odds to Daly cos he won't be playing against Leinster anyway, but it's still a messed up message.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 595 ✭✭✭jimdemp


    Carty doesnt have enough confidence. Looks like being with Ireland was more of a negative effect on him. He probably knows Farrell doesnt want him around but feels forced into picking him. When he missed touch the whole team got demoralised. A senior player, the captain and he makes simple mistakes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,381 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Going to give a serious answer to the troll post above. Carty has been making those silly mistakes for years. Which is probably why he's never been in contention for a regular spot in Ireland's squad.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,779 ✭✭✭✭molloyjh


    Hahahaha, it took its time showing up, but the “Ireland coach ruined fan favourite player confidence” speil has finally appeared.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,381 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    The Ian Keatley gambit.

    Always been a favourite of mine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    But he seems to miss touch frequently. Farrell probably has little faith in him. It's likely he doesn't trust him or rate him. Not Farrells fault to be fair.

    That said, Farrell is probably not enthused with Carberry either. He got next to nothing time v Scotland.

    Carty is 30 this year and the prospect of international caps are dwindling, imo. He may go to N.Z for the tour but, I would guess that Ben Healy will travel if he continues to play well. I think it will be Sexton. Carberry and Healy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 595 ✭✭✭jimdemp


    Kieran Keane was ousted by player power who didn't like his no nonsense, straight talking honesty. People like O’Halloran was going to munster if KK was kept on. That kind of player power has a bad effect on a club. Friend would know what happened before him and must be very Diplomatic



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,116 ✭✭✭Former Former Former




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭ClanofLams


    Kieran Keane pissed off far more than players during his short tenure. For whatever reason, maybe it was moving to the other side of the world with no experience of it previously, the person who interviewed and the person who arrived were like two different people by all accounts.

    His removal had very little to do with player power, albeit players, along with everyone else involved with Connacht at a day to day level were glad to see him depart.

    Some of these excuses for friend are getting very thin….

    People need to think before throwing daft stuff out. The notion that the IRFU sanctioned Connacht getting rid of a coach after one season (maybe the only time it’s been done by a province in pro era, one of the few at least) because TOH or anyone else threatened to leave is bizarre.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,318 ✭✭✭✭Utopia Parkway


    I think next season will be Friend's last at Connacht anyway. I heard him interviewed recently and he mentioned June 2023 was when him and the wife have their big camper van tour of Europe planned for. Maybe coincidental but it seems like it would be a natural break.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,001 ✭✭✭b.gud


    Anyone know do the Comer brothers have any interest in rugby ;)

    https://www.the42.ie/galway-united-comer-brothers-takeover-5726139-Mar2022/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,511 ✭✭✭Wegians89


    For the first time in years I’d say, I’m not really bothered about the Connacht match this weekend. Need a big result to help hype up the sportsground next weekend



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,432 ✭✭✭testtech05


    The last couple of games haven't helped alright, a win is badly needed but wont be easy. It will be interesting to see what squad is named for tomorrow.



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